we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
If science adjusts its view based on observable evidence, that means the previous understanding was based in a false premise. But that false premise was able to guide us to a better understanding.
People forget that what atheists promote is that is very unlikely that a God like the one described in the bible or any other sacred writings from antiquity can be real.
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hey babe, how about you and me doing a -.
generation overlap
lol wasblind
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
Very well said Kate! For any lurking JW, you have to understand that you have the option to study many different set of beliefs and you can come to your own conclusions. Don't allow anyone of us to impose what we believe is true but do not close yourself to new information, try to learn why the other side thinks and believes the way they do.
Don't feel angry if you come here to debate and have to face hard facts...
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hey babe, how about you and me doing a -.
generation overlap
This was Fred Franz pick up line:
Hey honey, The time is at hand so What Will You Do With Your Life? I've been Paying Attention to myself and to All the Flock, and you have not gone unnoticed. That's why I want to give you some Aid to Bible Understanding and Insight on the Scriptures .
Baby, let's take it to the next step and start Dwelling Together in Unity, and making Sure of All Things, because Time is Running Out for Mankind .
Look! I am Making All Things New here and I want us to Enjoy Life on Earth Forever! So let's find out What is True Love? and don't forget that I can offer you an unforgettable Revelation and Grand Climax At Hand!
i think by most accounts, my previous posts have testified to my moving towards an agnostic stance.
i just don't know and i can't believe for belief's sake.
i came across a quote i thought quite timely in my journey.. .
Take your faith and test it to the max.
i think by most accounts, my previous posts have testified to my moving towards an agnostic stance.
i just don't know and i can't believe for belief's sake.
i came across a quote i thought quite timely in my journey.. .
This is something I posted a few days ago and is how I view the world from an Agnostic point of view when we talk about God.
I must admit that my journey has brought me to a place that I never thought possible, a VOID. I have held faith in the spiritual world all my life and now I was finally able to pass to other side of the darkness. Many times darkness is associated with evil and yet roughly 70% of the universe is made of dark energy.
I’ve now stepped into the dark room. It seems empty at first but do not think this darkness is artificial vs. the light we think we enjoy as believers. I suspect it is natural and that true enlightenment can be obtained from this blackness. The one thing that bothers me is a sense of VOID or emptiness, but I find myself adjusting to this solitude.
Today I do not censor myself and I am inclined to read fascinating works from believers and nonbelievers. The big difference is that I’m reading this new material in a different light inside the darkness.
i was speaking to a friend who went to the circuit assembly a couple weeks ago.
he actually taped a portion of the first talk cause he said the do was pretty entertaining.
the do said something like - jehovah doesn't like laws.
Suggestions
that is why the wt lives to always give Suggestions that become the law
to all congregations in the united states branch territory re: branch visit in november 2014 .
dear brothers: .
on february 11, 2014, the bethel family was excited to learn that a branch visit is sched- uled for the united states.
I have a questiond dear GB, does this mean that Christ will not bring the big A in October? How many more years do we have for the overlapping generation? How many more months before the GT and the big A? Are we there yet?
i stopped believing in god in july 2013. in the first 3 months or so i felt liberated and relieved that i can live my life anyway i wanted without worrying about an invisible being watching my every move.
i also felt slightly superior that i was able to figure out that god isn't real while the majority of mankind continued to be fooled.
atfer the feelings of excitment statrted to wear off, i started to become more depressed and empty.
Kate asked the right question. Are you feeling down? Please do not do anything that can hurt you. Don't forget, If believing in a God makes you happy don't lose faith in that. it is not an easy step to forget about a God when you have trusted this deity all of your life.
i stopped believing in god in july 2013. in the first 3 months or so i felt liberated and relieved that i can live my life anyway i wanted without worrying about an invisible being watching my every move.
i also felt slightly superior that i was able to figure out that god isn't real while the majority of mankind continued to be fooled.
atfer the feelings of excitment statrted to wear off, i started to become more depressed and empty.
Have you ever thought you still might not be an atheist? Just because you doubt it does not mean you have to take a stance that you are not ready for. You don't have to fully drop all of your beliefs at once.
When you talk about more suicides among Atheits I just want to ask why beleivers then commit suicide when they know is a sin?
