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  My life - a new turn

  by InquiryMan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ive been on the net ever since the miningco, old witnesses.net days and now here on jwd.

  it has been an interesting journey.

  yesterday my life took a new turn.

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  InquiryMan

  I am sure it will. I wanted to say: I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST!!! (sometimes my typos haunt me)
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  My life - a new turn

  by InquiryMan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ive been on the net ever since the miningco, old witnesses.net days and now here on jwd.

  it has been an interesting journey.

  yesterday my life took a new turn.

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  InquiryMan

  Thanks a lot to all the women responding.You’ve a warm and caring heart. Kudos to all of you and I best you all the best!
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  My life - a new turn

  by InquiryMan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ive been on the net ever since the miningco, old witnesses.net days and now here on jwd.

  it has been an interesting journey.

  yesterday my life took a new turn.

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  InquiryMan

  I do not necessarily think my life will be any happier - although I hope so - but much easier, having at last found inner peace. I am overwhelmed that more than 400 people have read my story :-)
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  Grandpa turned in to police by JW elders

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in norway, a 71 year old grandpa has been sentenced to 11 months jail and a fee og several thousands dollars for having molested his 8 and 10 year old grand-daughters.

  he wanted to have his sentence reduced because of having been disfellowshipped from the jws.

  the court did not find that to be a reason to reduce his sentence.

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  InquiryMan

  When I stated that the silent lambs might have had some sort of influence, this is of course just indirectly. Just after I stepped down from being an elder, new directions were given to the elders, emphasizing the need to report such matters to the police. This was before any TV programmes had been show on television. However, several news reports have been published throught the years where Jws have been involved in abuse of children. However, in later years, Society spokeman has emphasized the need to report to the police and co-operate, whereas in the past it was often reported in the news that such cases had been kept silent within the congregation. Personally, I was never informed of any such cases when being an elder. Fortunately. What I do know, is that when such cases where discussed among witnesses, most stated they would report it to the police right away.
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  Grandpa turned in to police by JW elders

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in norway, a 71 year old grandpa has been sentenced to 11 months jail and a fee og several thousands dollars for having molested his 8 and 10 year old grand-daughters.

  he wanted to have his sentence reduced because of having been disfellowshipped from the jws.

  the court did not find that to be a reason to reduce his sentence.

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  InquiryMan

  Sorry about some typos, I should have proof-read it better. I did write it with paragraphs and captions in word, but when I insert it int reply it disappears... and I forgot to re-edit it...
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  Grandpa turned in to police by JW elders

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in norway, a 71 year old grandpa has been sentenced to 11 months jail and a fee og several thousands dollars for having molested his 8 and 10 year old grand-daughters.

  he wanted to have his sentence reduced because of having been disfellowshipped from the jws.

  the court did not find that to be a reason to reduce his sentence.

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  InquiryMan

  the abovemention article was published in the most widespread newspaper of Norway today. On the question of a newspaper link, I’ve just translated an article that was published on a court case last year, in the "Aftenposten" newspaper, (a newspaper like New York Times). Family Christmas of Last Year on the Canary Islands: 41 year old woman in bed with 15 year old step PER ANNAR HOLM Even though the two have continued their sexual relationship after the stepmother got separated from the boys father last spring, the women herself turned herselv into the police.. Now she has been convicted for the sexual relations with her underage stepchild. He did not want the woman to be charged and punished. Shunned The Court found that the woman being shunned by her Jehovah’s witness congregation after the case became known, was an extenuating circumstance. The woman told in court that her marriage deteriorated just after a few months and she never reached to attain a real mother-son-relationship the the plaintiff. After the separation the now 42 year old woman resumed the relationship to the boy after a mutual wish (my comment: it was now legal, since he had become 16 years and no longer under age). It has not been disclosed that the boy affair has had any detrimental effects by the affair.. Voluntary action Even though the woman admitted to be the most active party the night following 26. December by going to the boys bed, they had previously touched one another on several occasions. The court do not label the encroachment abusive, since plaintiff voluntarily took part in the sexual relations. However, the judge writes in her judgement: This do not hid the fact that the relationship has an abusive element when the age factor is taken into consideration (her being 40 yrs old, the boy being 15) and in addition she did have a parental role towards the boy. Very peculiar case Thus court case is peculiar indeed, and the court has not found any cases similar to it. The court remarks that the court case most probably had not been a legal case unless the accused herself had brought the matter to the police. Den unemployed mother of one child was mainly concerned to get a suspended sentence og achieved this by confessing and relating everything openl to the court. She got a five month suspended imprisonment (she did not have go to jail, but of course get this on her record). She had to pay the fine of en equivalent of 1500 dollars. She immediately accepted the verdict..
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  Grandpa turned in to police by JW elders

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in norway, a 71 year old grandpa has been sentenced to 11 months jail and a fee og several thousands dollars for having molested his 8 and 10 year old grand-daughters.

  he wanted to have his sentence reduced because of having been disfellowshipped from the jws.

  the court did not find that to be a reason to reduce his sentence.

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  InquiryMan

  He stated that he had been punished enough being deprived of his congregation benefits and friends. In fact, there has been instances, when a DF has been a factor in a person getting a reduced sentence.
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  Grandpa turned in to police by JW elders

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in norway, a 71 year old grandpa has been sentenced to 11 months jail and a fee og several thousands dollars for having molested his 8 and 10 year old grand-daughters.

  he wanted to have his sentence reduced because of having been disfellowshipped from the jws.

  the court did not find that to be a reason to reduce his sentence.

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  InquiryMan

  The punishment is not so severe for various crimes in Scandinavia as in e.g. the US. Maximum penalty even for multiple manslaughter is 21 yrs, most are released after 12 yrs imprisonment. I am sorry if my subject heading had the wrong wording. That was not initial intention. I realized it when I looked back to my posting, but then unable to edit it. Hence my 2nd posting on this topic. Why was it wrong. It does state that an elder did accompany him to the police. That is a positive involvement in fulfilling also an obligation to report to the police what has happened in an active way, and not only do a punitive reaction within the congregation.
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  Grandpa turned in to police by JW elders

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in norway, a 71 year old grandpa has been sentenced to 11 months jail and a fee og several thousands dollars for having molested his 8 and 10 year old grand-daughters.

  he wanted to have his sentence reduced because of having been disfellowshipped from the jws.

  the court did not find that to be a reason to reduce his sentence.

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  InquiryMan

  Maybe my subject heading was a bit sensational. According to the newspaper report he was accompanied by one elder. Whether he wanted to turn himselv in by his own initiative or being persuaded to do by the congregation elders was not stated in the newspaper.
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  Grandpa turned in to police by JW elders

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in norway, a 71 year old grandpa has been sentenced to 11 months jail and a fee og several thousands dollars for having molested his 8 and 10 year old grand-daughters.

  he wanted to have his sentence reduced because of having been disfellowshipped from the jws.

  the court did not find that to be a reason to reduce his sentence.

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  InquiryMan

  In Norway, a 71 year old grandpa has been sentenced to 11 months jail and a fee og several thousands dollars for having molested his 8 and 10 year old grand-daughters. He wanted to have his sentence reduced because of having been disfellowshipped from the JWs. The court did not find that to be a reason to reduce his sentence. He voluntarily went to the police accompanied by a congregation elder in order to report himselv. The police was not aware of his criminal acts before he reported himself. In Denmark some time ago, a couple also reported a brother the police for having molested their boy at the Kingdom Hall. So it seems, that in Scandinavia, such things are not always kept within the congregations. It might be that the influence due to groups like Silentlambs, have been influencing the witnesses to take a more pro-active stand on this issues.