In e.g. my country you can have a good living even without a degree or a white collar job. I think the "fare" of JWs has a lot also to do with how the economic/social structure of life are med up which actually differs a lot from the US to e.g. Scandinavia where I live. Of course quite a few JWs are windowcleaners here too, but more so in the past.... Most I knew had regular, ordinary jobs. And I‘d say the general standard of living differ very little from the general populace. It is mirroring it.Also most witnesses own their own homes, just like the rest of the population do. I have been quite a few times to the United States and see how poor people live in substandard homes... We hardly have anything like that here.
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New video release at district convention. Do Jws live like this?
by solomon ini just got back from the district convention and watched the new video.
can't remember what it is called but the main family live in a million dollar home and there teenage daughter drives a red convertable sports car.
probably worth about 50000$.
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New video release at district convention. Do Jws live like this?
by solomon ini just got back from the district convention and watched the new video.
can't remember what it is called but the main family live in a million dollar home and there teenage daughter drives a red convertable sports car.
probably worth about 50000$.
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InquiryMan
I retract the word nonsense. That was not called for. Sorry about that. However was a witness for several decades, and also an elder... BUT not in America.. Please remember that some JWs in the US tend to be somewhat more extreme than in many other countries... That goes both ways... Sometimes when we read examples in the Watchtower about e.g. grand weddings with examples of exagerrations it was always in an American context and far away from reality in our own country.... I agree there has been a change somewhat though. Witnesses nowadays seem very auto-pilot.
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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"
by BluePill2 inbefore i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.
during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.
as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.
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InquiryMan
Most elders never get across these issues, as they are relatively rare compared to other acts of actual or alleged wrongdoing.
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New video release at district convention. Do Jws live like this?
by solomon ini just got back from the district convention and watched the new video.
can't remember what it is called but the main family live in a million dollar home and there teenage daughter drives a red convertable sports car.
probably worth about 50000$.
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InquiryMan
What is this nonsense that JWs live substandard and have mediocre jobs all the time??? Must be more of an American phenomenon... If you go any assembly or KH the cars parked there just resemeble rest of society, so does housing etc.. Witnesses travel, work etc as most people do...
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Germany loses 22 congregations and 41 KHs in 3 years (2011-2014)
by Viva la Vida ini just compared the latest data provided by the german wt and data i found searching for the same page in archive.org.
congregations 2011: 2232. congregations 2014: 2210. kh 2011: 1075. kh 2014: 1034. source: http://www.jehovaszeugen.de/statistik.18.0.html - this is a oficial site for germany.
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interestingly, the German branch maintains a huge national website. Also Austria and Russia maintains such ones.. does anyone know of any other countries having it? Finland used to have one and also France.
They also list their religious celebrations/holidays.
Apart from memorial and assemblies, this is listed:
Weitere religiös-feierliche Handlungen
Weitere religiös-feierliche Handlungen bei Jehovas Zeugen, die in der Regel von einem Ältesten der Religionsgemeinschaft vorgenommen werden, sind beispielsweise:
- Der Gottesdienst nach einer Eheschließung (Here they use the word commonly used by churches in Christendom) Wedding
- Das Begräbnis (Gedenkansprache, Trauerrede) Funeral
- Die heilige Taufhandlung (the holy act of baptism)
- Die Weihung (Widmung) von religiösen Gebäuden (dedication/inaugeration of religious buildings)
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New video release at district convention. Do Jws live like this?
by solomon ini just got back from the district convention and watched the new video.
can't remember what it is called but the main family live in a million dollar home and there teenage daughter drives a red convertable sports car.
probably worth about 50000$.
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InquiryMan
Perhaps mainstreaming upwards?
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Birthday celebration/participation
by Zana inmy wife is considering to let our kids participate, maybe even celebrate their own birthdays.
she says what can be so bad about just giving a little kid (who doesn't yet understand the bible) a day full of joy and happiness?
she herself actually delayed her own baptism as a teenager in order to celebrate one more birthday.
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InquiryMan
Do you have a quotation from the shepherd the flock to validate your claim?
morten
(was an elder once)
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Birthday celebration/participation
by Zana inmy wife is considering to let our kids participate, maybe even celebrate their own birthdays.
she says what can be so bad about just giving a little kid (who doesn't yet understand the bible) a day full of joy and happiness?
she herself actually delayed her own baptism as a teenager in order to celebrate one more birthday.
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InquiryMan
That is not correct. Holidays like christmas are mentioned, but far as I know birthdays are not mentioned in that list...
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WT admitted "Jehovah" is not God's name...
by Watkins inif i remember right(unlikely, lol) it was a one-page article about the tetragrammaton which concluded by saying that even though "jehovah" was 'probably' not an accurate pronunciation, it is a widely-recognized and accepted english transliteration of the divine name.
i was thinking it was on the last page or maybe the back cover of a wt pub - maybe a watchtower.. can someone please direct me to the publication it was in?
i read it when i was still 'in' and it made me stop and think about how much emphasis the wt puts on that name, all while knowing it's not the name.
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InquiryMan
My memory served me right:
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Hebrew had no vowels. This was unsatisfactory to those who wanted to pronounce the unpronouncable name of God. Their solution? By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho.nay and 'Elo.him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho.wah' and Yehowih' were formed. The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form "Jehova(h)." The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270.
As such, the form "Jehovah" is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word.
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WT admitted "Jehovah" is not God's name...
by Watkins inif i remember right(unlikely, lol) it was a one-page article about the tetragrammaton which concluded by saying that even though "jehovah" was 'probably' not an accurate pronunciation, it is a widely-recognized and accepted english transliteration of the divine name.
i was thinking it was on the last page or maybe the back cover of a wt pub - maybe a watchtower.. can someone please direct me to the publication it was in?
i read it when i was still 'in' and it made me stop and think about how much emphasis the wt puts on that name, all while knowing it's not the name.
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InquiryMan
I remember reading in WT literature that the transliteration Jehovah was first used by a Roman Catholic munk in a work called Pugeo Fidei, if my memory serves me right.