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  Minimus' Post Gave Me Courage To Finally Post My Questions, New Here

  by toweragent in

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  i have been "lurking" for about four years now.. it was an incredibly weird experience just to look at a site like jwn or freeminds.

  he came off very loving.. so, i decided that i would talk to one of my elders about the things i read.

  if any of you have time to read this, thank you.

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  SkyGreen

  Welcome, I too am a newbie of sorts. Won't give u any advice, looks like plenty has already been given... I'm in much the same boat as u.

  just keep swimming, just keep swimming....
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  "Newbie" again

  by SkyGreen in

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  hello everyone, i used to be notreadytorun, forgot password, see recent posts for boring story.... board moderators, please accept my sincere apologies, i am truly repentant and aim to be a more active member of jwnet.

  please dont disfellowship me!!!.

  seriously, i look forward to contributing to all the interesting threads ive been readung recently.

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  Flipper, hi and thankyou for the insights, yes I find the handling of child abuse matters and paedophilia- to put it very lightly - disgusting. And I agree there is a balance between individuals acting alone, and individuals acting a certain way because of the WTS.

  Smiddy! I used to be a QLDer! enjoying the 1st day of summer there? PM me if you're happy to chat about what cong you associated with and vice versa, would be interesting.
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  30 and Out?

  by Black Man in

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  30 that seems to put jw's at a cross-roads?

  i've known so many who have decided to abandon ship at either the age of 30 or either after 30 years of being baptized.

  i fall into the former category.

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  thanks perfect1!
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  Just a quick update

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

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  i have been inactice now for about 4 months.

  i keep getting visit from elders and well meaning ministerial servants.

  i went back to two meetings about two weeks ago.

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  SkyGreen

  HI there Msgrowinggirl

  we joined around the same time when i was notreadytorun.

  I was reading back through and seems like youve gone through a similar "cycle" to me ie IM LEAVING, WHAT IF ITS TRUE, IM STAYING, I JUST DONT KNOW, IM INACTIVE.... I feel your pain! I too sometimes want to just be "safe in', go back to blissful ignorance, I want to believe that it is the truth.

  No words of wisdom for you, just that I know what youre going through, and so many here do too.

  I lied, I have one word of wisdom: dont tell anyone why your inactive/ missing meetings - just be vague. You dont owe them an explanation, you need to work it out for yourself first. Tell them its personal and youll talk when youre ready.

  From what I remember you arent married, dont have kids or other family "in"? Thats a good start. But I know you have good friends you dont want to lose. Thats hard too eh? Just vent on here when you're feeling low. It sucks to be us sometimes!

  Take care x
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  "Newbie" again

  by SkyGreen in

  1. jw
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  hello everyone, i used to be notreadytorun, forgot password, see recent posts for boring story.... board moderators, please accept my sincere apologies, i am truly repentant and aim to be a more active member of jwnet.

  please dont disfellowship me!!!.

  seriously, i look forward to contributing to all the interesting threads ive been readung recently.

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  Thankyou for your lovely welcomes!

  A little of my story.... I have had some unpleasant treatment by elders (not judicial, just supposed "loving counsel" and "shepherding" for my husband and i) but otherwise i havent suffered terribly like some on this board have. I fully believe in not leaving "the truth" because of individuals bad behavior. I think whether it had been the truth or not, there are a large number of people who dont act the way they are supposed to according to the WT, and that is on them, not the organisation.

  That being said, the unkindness of a large number of elders made me question the whole "appointed by holy spirit" thing about a year or so ago, and so articles in the WT about "loving shepherds" made me gag. It upset me so much that those in responsible positions were not acting like this.

  For I while, (as I said i was notreadytorun before) I did some digging, read crisis of conscience, researched the 607 stuff, some of the other rules by the WTS that are not firmly based in scripture, the history of fails. Made me lose complete faith in this organisation.

  Because of having all my closest family "in", I spoke to my husband and parents about my concerns, and they were all non judgemental and very helpful to be honest, however my parents are still hard core "its still the truth", I think my hubby has doubts.

  I eventually decided a few months ago to just stay in, it felt safe and familiar and I didnt want to rock the boat.

  My hubby and I did eventually move congregations, and we had a lovely visit from the elders, they were kind and understanding of some of the difficulties we had faced (wont go into detail, might identify me) so i thought, this is how its supposed to be. I have made good new friends. But my doubts about whether this is the truth or not wouldnt go away.

  I am grateful for my good moral upbringing, with the kind of personality I am, I believe the structure has been the best thing for me. However in the last year or so there is so much that just doesnt "sit right"with me. Here are a couple off the top of my head (no particular order)

  Birthdays - I want to celebrate them, especially my kids! not enough reason not to!

  Blood transfusions - if I need one, if my children need one, we'll get them!! there is not a clear scriptual reason not to - ignorning all the supposed evidence in the Hebrew scrips, since WE ARE NOT UNDER THE MOSAIC LAW PEOPLE, there is only the one scripture in Acts, which could be referring to eating blood as food, or could mean refraining from taking life. We just dont know for sure. Why risk life.

  Something that really annoys me recently. WTS over complicating applications of scripture - just a waste of time... for instance recent KM article about bearing fruit, (in jesus illustration he was talking about wheat, the fruit it bears is MORE SEED, so dont be discouraged if you havent got a bible study etc etc, we are bearing fruit just by sowing seed) it cracked me up so much, they are getting desperate.

  Also they missapply things, even if the lesson they draw from it is correct, they use scriptures or bible examples that are unrelated. ie at recent convention, they used Abigail as an example for christian wives.... um she called her husband a fool, he ended up dead, she became one of the kings wives. Wierd.

  I could go on but so much already been discussed here in other threads, so no need to go on.

  I know its not "the truth" and it is really heartbreaking to lose all faith - hence the depression. If God is really there, and actually cares, why no update on the bible in centuries! why not fix s**t NOW! People dont need TIME TO REPENT, they need PROOF HE IS THERE, and RELIEF FROM SUFFERING. I said in the "cosmic pain meter" thread that Id rather be an athiest.

  I know I can be inactive (no ministry, odd meeting) without my family or friends shunning me or bothering me too much. And I need to give my husband time to wake up. Not sure I'll ever be DF or DA, but we'll see.

  vent over for now. Ill contribute here where I can, but Im a busy girl! Sometimes its easier not to think about things too deeply, just cruise day to day.

  Love you all, everyone have a great day please!

  Sky
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  30 and Out?

  by Black Man in

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  30 that seems to put jw's at a cross-roads?

  i've known so many who have decided to abandon ship at either the age of 30 or either after 30 years of being baptized.

  i fall into the former category.

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  Ive been married an have kids already mouthy, so my doubts were more a growing up thing (i like the psycological explanation posted by ChuckD, sounds just like me) between 29 and turning 30.

  But I agree, for those who turn 30 and are still single, the sex thing certainly could be a motivator to question their beliefs...
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  If There was a Cosmic Pain meter...

  by cofty in

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  imagine that it was possible to precisely measure the amount of suffering in the world at any given moment - a cosmic "pain meter".

  decide for yourself what the unit of measurement would be.. we can only imagine a fraction of the combined suffering that is being felt right now.

  physical pain, emotional despair, grief, desperation, loss, terror and hopelessness.. of course if there is an omniscient god then he knows to the last iota what that theoretical meter would read right now.. the bible contains a number of answers to the question of suffering - ever since the babylonian exile one popular answer has been to blame his nemesis the devil, "we know that we are children of god, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

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  it has always bothered me "if god exists/cares, why cause/allow suffering?"

  until recently the bible teach book illustration of the teacher and student to explain the "universal issue" was enough for me. But now, not so much. That illustration just simplifies something that is infinitely complicated! What an insult to anyone who is suffering. How can "Jehovah' just sit there and let it all happen, "for his name"

  Id rather be an athiest.
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  Annual Meeting Report 2012

  by Borges in

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  2. beliefs

  before going to work, i just checked on jw.org if the annual meeting report with the "new light" now is published in other languages too.

  nothing, only on the english site.

  not even in spanish.

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  SkyGreen

  So the brothers here in germany have to read apostate sites like these: http://www.sektenausstieg.net/read/11659 to learn what they currently believe.

  LOL!!

  Well im sure it will come out in the WT study.... in due time....
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  Annual Meeting Report 2012

  by Borges in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  before going to work, i just checked on jw.org if the annual meeting report with the "new light" now is published in other languages too.

  nothing, only on the english site.

  not even in spanish.

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  SkyGreen

  whoops, sorry thought this was about the content of the annual meeting report not the language...... maybe someone here can translate for you?
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  Annual Meeting Report 2012

  by Borges in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  before going to work, i just checked on jw.org if the annual meeting report with the "new light" now is published in other languages too.

  nothing, only on the english site.

  not even in spanish.

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  SkyGreen

  talked to a friend briefly about this before the mtg a while ago... she said "isnt it great?!" i said "why?" and got a blank look. Then the brother on the platform anounced the song.... must ask her what she think is soo great about it....