Posts by Longlivetherenegades

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The Recent Legal Decision and WT Hypocrisy

by Slidin Fast in

just to remind you, the recent court decision included a judgement about wt and freedom of speech something the organisation has long prided itself about.

infosektamedia release of july 8, 2020 7. thewatchtower organisation denies members the human right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion according to article 18 statement by the expert (tages-anzeiger)"furthermore, article 18 states that everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, a right that the watchtower society claims for itself but does not grant its members.

" judgment of the court by ostracizing members who no longer share the faith, they are implicitly denied freedom of faith and conscience (proof of good faith).

Longlivetherenegades

What does one expect of an ORGANIZATION that raised itself above every other organization on earth. To the ORGANIZATION they believe they hold the key to what FREEDOM means from God's standpoint. In fact freedom is only best ENJOYED within the WALLS of the ORGANIZATION. In order to prove themselves right they introduced SHUNNING. That makes the freedom they OFFER an IRONY.

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Prophesy from a JW (and others perspective). What purpose is there in trying to interpretate some of the stuff that you don't understand??

by RubaDub in

this is not a jw-bashing thing, but it always seemed odd to me that the "excuse" when things go wrong is that "we have to wait and see how the prophesy is fulfilled" or some other wording.. my question has always been, then what is the purpose of the prophesy if you don't understand it until after the fact?

isn't that like having a weather forecast but being told that we don't really know what the weather will be until the next day?.

i'm sure some of the intelligent people here can guide me but in all honesty, i never understood that..

Longlivetherenegades

Watchtower talk but they don't do.

For one thing, Bible prophecies are often best understood when they are undergoing fulfillment or after they have been fulfilled. But there is another factor. To understand a prophecy correctly, we generally have to consider its context. .....watchtower April 2020 study edition.

Over the years they have try to UNDERSTAND what has not been fulfilled or undergoing fulfillment. The reason they head into SPECULATION ASSUMPTION, PREDICTION, LIKELY, MAYBE.

They say its best to consider context yet make modern day application of all the text in the Bible to fit there doctrine.

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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

by BluesBrother in

it is a challenge next sunday for them .

due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

Longlivetherenegades

Paragraph 1........WHAT does the near future hold for Jehovah’s people? We do not have to guess

What did they do in paragraphs 5 and 6

GUESS 1. It indicates that what we read about the king of the north and the king of the south COULD not apply to rulers or kingdoms that held power from sometime in the 2nd century to the second half of the 19th century.

Guess 2 When could God’s people again be identified? Explain

Imposed upon any member attempting this question this week.

Guess 3. God’s people could once again be identified!

What words will one find when making guesses? COULD is one of them. The writer of this article placed it where it is needed the most in the ARTICLE. These paragraphs is the major HINGE of the whole article.

First guess to show ELIMINATION of true Christians from first century and support the claim that no king of North or south and no God's people to attack by both kings. Zenobia removal from the Daniel prophecy is to further support the claim that true Christianity ceased after the deaths of the apostle and cannot be seen to have stretched till the third century.

Second guess well placed to show RUSSELL and his associates marks the REBIRTH of TRUE CHRISTIANITY that was absent from the end of the first century.

But the writer of the ARTICLE forgot that Matthew 13 cited in that account about the weeds and wheats undermine all his MENTAL GYMNASTICS. Jesus never said in his parable that the WHEATS die out completely and no where did the HARVEST started with the collection of WHEATS rather it started with reaping of the WEEDS but 1870 - 1919 no WEEDS were reaped or burnt.

The comic aspect of the whole account under paragraphs 5,6 is considering the religious background of RUSSELL and is ASSOCIATE and having the mindset that all other churches apart from of JWS are WEEDS.

It sure looks like a case of Jesus coming/presence in 1870 to turn WEEDS to WHEATS before 1919. Then after 1919 he pronounced the converted WEEDS as WHEATS. Jesus made a liar.

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Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

Longlivetherenegades

Anna Marina I think this will be the second time I am drawn to this Ezekiel as it relates to 1914.

I guess something is embedded in there RIGHT?

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Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim in

i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

omg!!!

just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

Longlivetherenegades

What does it for me is the words of Carl of Jonsson in his books gentile times reconsidered. His words below..........

The simple truth is that--------------- as it relates to connecting with our Christian era reckoning------------------ without secular sources there is no Bible chronology no datings of biblical events in terms of YEARS--------B.C.E or C.E or A.D

Mr Olof continued.............

For instance when some witnesses point to the fact that modern historians date fall of Babylon to 539 B.C.E and then claim that "the chronology of the Bible is in agreement with this dates" they show they have not really understood what the relative nature of BIBLICAL CHRONOLOGY actually implies. For more page 75 of the book GTR

In summary he is trying to tell us there is nothing like DATE BEGINS 01/01/607 B.C.E and DATE ENDS 10/10/537 B.C.E in the Bible.

The highest we can get is just like its mentioned in

Daniel 1:1“In the third year of the kingship of Jehoiakim the king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and proceeded to lay siege to it.” (Dan. 1:1)

We also have similar stuff like in the 25th year, in the 40th year in the 20th year.

The year in particular what is it? The Bible itself did not DISCLOSE any given DATE like this maybe 607B.C.E maybe 1207B.C.E maybe 107 B.C.E. Even the case of Israel's EXILE in EGYPT we only know that after +/- 400 years they were freed. YEAR/DATE in particular the exile BEGINS not recorded, the YEAR/DATE exile ENDS not RECORDED in the BIBLE.

I think its fitting that Jesus said in Acts 1: 7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

That these men leading the ORGANIZATION who say have no INSPIRATION fix dates and tagged it GOD'S OWN DATES and TIMES says more about the kind of men they are.

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Rolf Furuli New Book

by dozy in

jw
friends

for those who haven't come across furuli before , he is a 77 year old norwegian professor and is ( or was ) one of the few "scholarly" jws used by the society and used as a source on various matters ( especially 607 bce ).. however recently he has fallen out with the gb and has published an interesting book - like many recent scholarly apologists , he seems to be going down the road of disagreeing with the authority of the gb but still holding that the jws is the one true religion.

kind of "lions led by donkeys".

whether this view will continue is anyones guess.

Longlivetherenegades

CoC back in spotlight.....This is, in reality, the same as to use two different balances and scales, one set of balances and scales when a person changes his religion and becomes a Witness, and another set when a person changes his religion and leaves the Witnesses.

He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous
are both alike an abomination to the Lord.

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