Posts by Longlivetherenegades

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UPDATE: Fanatical Mom wants to report me

by Scarlett_Martin in

*** update 2020/11/21 ****.

hello people,.

some time ago i made my first on this forum after i have just woken up.. i was very scared and honestly i am still amazed from the fact that i am still getting replies in the old thread.. here is the link to my previous thread: link.

Longlivetherenegades

nitty gritty: ......But it seems you were never personally convinced about what your mom taught you in the first place, and so now apostate material is giving you the answers you want to hear, to make leaving easier in your mind.

Longlivetherenegades: In the final analysis Scarlet has her load to CARRY. Whatever assumptions you try to use through LEGALISM or SPECULATIONS can't describe her state of mind right now. You are dealing with TYPED words just like every other person here.

APOSTATES materials in recent times is seen as old publications of the very ORGANIZATION that calls those leaving APOSTATES.

e.g 1. PUT FAITH IN A VISIBLE ORGANIZATION

2. We should likewise listen to any instructions we receive from Jehovah’s organization and obey promptly and wholeheartedly. This is true even if it does not seem important to follow them or we do not understand the reason for the instructions

Do you see the IF and SEEMS?

3. The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.

Since the spiritual food is not PERFECT, Do you agree the main DISH always comes with a POISONED side dish? and after years the poisoned side DISH accumulates and reaches LETHAL DOSAGE 50 it kills the person in the sense that the PERSON becomes an APOSTATES which in the eyes of GB and their followers are DESPICABLE APOSTATES soon to vanish like a SMOKE.

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

@ EverApostate

John the Baptist not entering into HEAVENS alongside Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will hold based on Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE

John 3:3 In response Jesus said to him: Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God

Are Christians born again FIGURATIVELY or LITERALLY.

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

Luke 18: 17 Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.

From the above

Only 144,000 who are the least in the kingdom of the heavens are those who received the kingdom of God like young child. Thereby allowed entrance into it.

😂😂😂😂😂

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

@Vanderhoven

I tend to see the import of the scriptures you cited when one look at what was stated in

John 11: 12 from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal towards which men press and those pressing forward are seizing it.

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

That article of 1962 got me laughing the moment they INTRODUCED FIGURATIVE into the whole aspect and the article went to state.........

The natural or fleshly Jews of the nation of Israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of God’s.

The Jews were not claiming anything they knew ABRAHAM was their father, Jesus attest to it in John 8:56.

Then this.........

but because of their( the natural Jews and freshly Jews).........LITERALLY.......

lack of faith in Christ they were not in it. Hence, as Jesus said (Matt. 8:12): “The sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.

From their explanation

Matthew 8:11 is figurative

Matthew 8:12 is literal

They were sons of the kingdom because they were descendants of Abraham literally not FIGURATIVELY.

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

It is therefore evident that in Matthew 8:11 Jesus referred to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob FIGURATIVELY.............

For this reason it became necessary that many Gentiles (non-Jews), like the Roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by Jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized Christians..............

The natural or fleshly Jews of the nation of Israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of God’s kingdom. From the day of Pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in Christ they were not in it. Hence, as Jesus said (Matt. 8:12): “The sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1962207

Is Matthew 8:11 from the Watchtower literal and figurative simultaneously

Is Matthew 8:11 figurative from the watchtower?

Is Matthew 8:12 literal from the watchtower?

What is your take?

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HELP!! Just Woken Up - Fanatical Mom wants to report me

by Scarlett_Martin in

i've just been introduced to this site by a pimo friend of mine.

this will be my first post on this website.

i need help, and he told me you guys are a very supportive community.. i'm a female in my mid twenties.

Longlivetherenegades

@ Scarlet Martin

The Elusive Quality of Balance

Keep your head in all situations. Keep your mind sane and balanced. Always be steady.—2 Timothy4 :5, NIV, PME, and RSV renderings respectively.

Balance indicates mental and emotional steadiness, calmness, the

ability to resist pressures that sway, to avoid extremes both in

thought and conduct. The word “balance” rarely appears in Bible

translations. But it is implicit in the many Scriptural exhortations toward understanding, insight, perceptiveness, for it is a product of those qualities. I believe it is best exemplified for us in the life of God’s Son, in what he said, did and, above all, what he was as a person. His apostles reflect the influence of the balance they saw in, and learned from, their Master....................copied from In Search of Christian freedom

You need Ray Franz books sincerely. Crisis of Conscience and ISoCF.

I recommend you read the chapter 17 of ISoCF with title

THE CHALLENGE OF CHRISTIAN FREEDOM. By the time you conclude the reading you can decide to take other chapters as you desire. But now you really need chapter 17 Keep the Bible verse above to keep your SUICIDAL THOUGHT in check.

You are able to connect with us here because many of here CHALLENGED the suicidal thought and beat it at its own game. Had they succumbed. You won't come here.

Fear of Freedom

To fear is to expect punishment, and anyone who is afraid is still imperfect in love.—1 John 4:18, Jerusalem Bible.

Christian freedom, as has been noted, is not simply a negative freedom—the freedom not to believe, not to do—but primarily a positive freedom, the freedom to believe, to do, to be. Though it may seem strange, many find such positive freedom, or just the prospect of it, frightening. For that freedom means taking on responsibility to come to conclusions based on understanding and convictions personally arrived at in one’s own mind and heart, not in someone else’s mind and heart or founded on others’ interpretations and reasonings; the responsibility to make personal choices.............still on Chapter 17

Regarding 1 John 4:18 it is meant to address the PUNISHMENT you are about to face concerning being SENT PACKING from HOME and the challenge you are about to face here on in life.

The Storm is HERE every free Christian out there FACED and weathered the storm.

In addition to your taking sabatcical you might add that ALL ORGANIZED RELIGIONS are CONFLICTED in the way they are ALL CONSTITUTED internally and externally and you have to put your faith in order co concerning that. The reason you are taking a sabbatical

I bet the elders won't grasp where you are coming from.

I leave you with James 1:27 this you can do, this anyone can do without being a MEMBER OF ANY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.

The below is a BONUS to the numerous task you set for yourself as highlighted below........

I can take time to understand how I will proceed and further confirm to myself how the Watchtower is a destructive cult which rules by fear and manipulation to maintain their thirst for power and money.

https://beroeans.net/2018/11/09/awakening-part-4-where-do-i-go-now/

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What Do JWs Think Of Those Like Us That Have Left?

by minimus in

jw
friends

do you think they feel bad for us!

envy us or basically don’t give a 💩?

?.

Longlivetherenegades

@ Nitty-Gritty

What I am trying to state is You are a PIMI that FILTERS and you are not strictly bound to the position of those taking the LEAD in your midst going by your comment on AM latest videos on apostates.

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What Do JWs Think Of Those Like Us That Have Left?

by minimus in

jw
friends

do you think they feel bad for us!

envy us or basically don’t give a 💩?

?.

Longlivetherenegades

What about a PIMI JW sending a message to you saying those taking the lead in the congregation told everyone to view you not as a FRIEND but more like an ENEMY. The video of AM says it all.

The fact that some were asked to seek those for who have left or become inactive coming from the PROMPT of a watchtower article and members followed the content of the article says a lot about how they view those who LEFT.

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What Do JWs Think Of Those Like Us That Have Left?

by minimus in

jw
friends

do you think they feel bad for us!

envy us or basically don’t give a 💩?

?.

Longlivetherenegades

@ nitty gritty you say you are PIMI

A PIMI that filters or Mentally in that FILTERS is that correct?