Posts by Longlivetherenegades

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A Salute to Petra/Atlantis

by Slidin Fast in

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whilst i have never quite understood whether petra and atlantis are one or multiple entities i recognise the value of their work and web of contacts.

i think it is fair to say that no-one has consistently contributed more solid gold intelligence to this site.

no one has reliably passed on more bomb shells and solid news as well as day to day minutiae.

Longlivetherenegades

I checked my mails I was surprised those goodies were absent. I thought perhaps nothing of importance is available until I got to this thread.

What is going on?

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If you leave the WT and don’t get vaccinated, you will still have the virus and keep getting sick

by pistolpete in

so the past couple of years, i’ve read several stories about jws who left the organization at an early age because they knew something wasn’t right------but they never bothered to research the religion.

there was this feeling that the watchtower was not god’s only channel.

so they left at an early age.

Longlivetherenegades

They can equally get CHRONOLOGY or REVELATION done by Doug Mason on numerous publications of JWS.

For example the same ORGANIZATION state the below......

.......Totalitarian religious rule is at war with democratic individuality There are religious systems that are totalitarian in their rule. History shows one of the oldest of these to be the Roman Catholic( replace with Jehovah's witnesses) religious system. By its spokesmen - pope( replace with Governing body) the claim is made that the salvation of all mankind rests upon the obedience of everybody to the pope at Vatican City( the 8 GB at Walkill or Warwick). Because it considers itself to be the only agency for human salvation , that religious system has undertaken the program of world conquest( preaching in 235 lands ahahahaha). … Where these totalitarian religionists are in the majority this use of force has resulted in the practice of intolerance; but where they are in the minority they call for toleration and plead for it and demand it. Just as soon as they get the upper hand, then they abuse their power and position and they themselves practice intolerance and all other methods to take away religious liberty from others( go against the GB and its foot soldiers you will live to tell the story). … The *totalitarian* system, therefore, has to be *enforced by compulsion and is at war with all democratic individuality........April 1 1956 Watchtower pg 196

The finger they point at others is what they DO. Jesus said unless your RIGHTEOUSNESS is greater than the PHARISEES. Whenever I read these words of JESUS one common thing about Pharisee is HYPOCRISY. The ORGANIZATION reels and reeks HYPOCRISY. Their publication over the years is a credible and faithful witness to that.

At the point of my own exit, of one the elder said sometimes we tend to find the unexpected in the ORGANIZATION. I laughed and said......"When we see such unexpected we keep mute and take it as nothing" but when other Christian denominations do it, we should pick up stones and STONE them.

What should we call that if not HYPOCRISY.

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UPDATE: Fanatical Mom wants to report me

by Scarlett_Martin in

*** update 2020/11/21 ****.

hello people,.

some time ago i made my first on this forum after i have just woken up.. i was very scared and honestly i am still amazed from the fact that i am still getting replies in the old thread.. here is the link to my previous thread: link.

Longlivetherenegades

https://beroeans.net/2020/11/13/its-about-time/

Read the above contained I that link. Then share what you understand about the below

One scripture that has helped me greatly, is Jeremiah 29; God’s instructions to the exiles taken to Babylon. There were false prophets predicting an early return to Judah, but Jeremiah told them that they needed to get on with life in Babylon. They were instructed to build homes, marry, and live out their lives. Jeremiah 29:4 “This is what the Lord of armies, the God of Israel, says to all the exiles whom I have sent into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon: 5 ‘Build houses and live in them; and plant gardens and eat their produce. 6 Take wives and father sons and daughters, and take wives for your sons and give your daughters to husbands, so that they may give birth to sons and daughters; and grow in numbers there and do not decrease. 7 Seek the prosperity of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the Lord in its behalf; for in its prosperity will be your prosperity.” I strongly recommend reading the entire chapter of Jeremiah 29.

We’re in a fallen world, and life is not always easy. But we can apply Jeremiah 29 to our current situation, and leave Armageddon in God’s hands. As long as we remain faithful, our God will remember us when His time arrives. He doesn’t expect us to freeze ourselves in time in order to please Him. Armageddon is His deliverance from evil, not a Sword of Damocles that freezes us in our tracks

Note: they are not my own personal experience. I came across it as well. The reason I am sharing it with you.

Don't forget you have a master to follow.........JESUS his words, way of life and works are still. in the Bible you carry. This is the opportunity to read the GOSPELS again without using the LENS of the ORGANIZATION you are still a member of.

Scarlet: how to lead a normal life, even though I have been learning and I am actually having fun for the first time

Longlivetherenegades: Romans 12: 1-21 is clue to the above. Go about it in a discipline way.

Scarlet: I think that person should be the one having a problem with me and not the other way around, but I feel like I don't want to stand around that jw anymore,

Longlivetherenegades: The battle have just started, you are on the BACKFOOT already. Cutting ties with a JW is not synonymous with not wanting to have them AROUND. You want to do the SHUNNING yourself and not the other way round.

Scarlet: because I plan on cutting ties to this religion in the near future. I still am figuring out what to do with regard to my job

Longlivetherenegades: leaving the religion of Jws is not a reason to LEAVE your job because you don't want them around you. Going to another place far for another job does not guarantee you not coming in contact with JWS. You should not be on the run because of JWs. Are you hiding something?

Proverbs 28:1 The wicked flee when no one pursues, But the righteous are bold as a lion.

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UPDATE: Fanatical Mom wants to report me

by Scarlett_Martin in

*** update 2020/11/21 ****.

hello people,.

some time ago i made my first on this forum after i have just woken up.. i was very scared and honestly i am still amazed from the fact that i am still getting replies in the old thread.. here is the link to my previous thread: link.

Longlivetherenegades

nitty gritty: ......But it seems you were never personally convinced about what your mom taught you in the first place, and so now apostate material is giving you the answers you want to hear, to make leaving easier in your mind.

Longlivetherenegades: In the final analysis Scarlet has her load to CARRY. Whatever assumptions you try to use through LEGALISM or SPECULATIONS can't describe her state of mind right now. You are dealing with TYPED words just like every other person here.

APOSTATES materials in recent times is seen as old publications of the very ORGANIZATION that calls those leaving APOSTATES.

e.g 1. PUT FAITH IN A VISIBLE ORGANIZATION

2. We should likewise listen to any instructions we receive from Jehovah’s organization and obey promptly and wholeheartedly. This is true even if it does not seem important to follow them or we do not understand the reason for the instructions

Do you see the IF and SEEMS?

3. The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.

Since the spiritual food is not PERFECT, Do you agree the main DISH always comes with a POISONED side dish? and after years the poisoned side DISH accumulates and reaches LETHAL DOSAGE 50 it kills the person in the sense that the PERSON becomes an APOSTATES which in the eyes of GB and their followers are DESPICABLE APOSTATES soon to vanish like a SMOKE.

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

@ EverApostate

John the Baptist not entering into HEAVENS alongside Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will hold based on Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE

John 3:3 In response Jesus said to him: Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God

Are Christians born again FIGURATIVELY or LITERALLY.

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

Luke 18: 17 Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.

From the above

Only 144,000 who are the least in the kingdom of the heavens are those who received the kingdom of God like young child. Thereby allowed entrance into it.

😂😂😂😂😂

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

@Vanderhoven

I tend to see the import of the scriptures you cited when one look at what was stated in

John 11: 12 from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal towards which men press and those pressing forward are seizing it.

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

That article of 1962 got me laughing the moment they INTRODUCED FIGURATIVE into the whole aspect and the article went to state.........

The natural or fleshly Jews of the nation of Israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of God’s.

The Jews were not claiming anything they knew ABRAHAM was their father, Jesus attest to it in John 8:56.

Then this.........

but because of their( the natural Jews and freshly Jews).........LITERALLY.......

lack of faith in Christ they were not in it. Hence, as Jesus said (Matt. 8:12): “The sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.

From their explanation

Matthew 8:11 is figurative

Matthew 8:12 is literal

They were sons of the kingdom because they were descendants of Abraham literally not FIGURATIVELY.

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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL

by Longlivetherenegades in

it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .

for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.

from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.

Longlivetherenegades

It is therefore evident that in Matthew 8:11 Jesus referred to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob FIGURATIVELY.............

For this reason it became necessary that many Gentiles (non-Jews), like the Roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by Jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized Christians..............

The natural or fleshly Jews of the nation of Israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of God’s kingdom. From the day of Pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in Christ they were not in it. Hence, as Jesus said (Matt. 8:12): “The sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1962207

Is Matthew 8:11 from the Watchtower literal and figurative simultaneously

Is Matthew 8:11 figurative from the watchtower?

Is Matthew 8:12 literal from the watchtower?

What is your take?

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HELP!! Just Woken Up - Fanatical Mom wants to report me

by Scarlett_Martin in

i've just been introduced to this site by a pimo friend of mine.

this will be my first post on this website.

i need help, and he told me you guys are a very supportive community.. i'm a female in my mid twenties.

Longlivetherenegades

@ Scarlet Martin

The Elusive Quality of Balance

Keep your head in all situations. Keep your mind sane and balanced. Always be steady.—2 Timothy4 :5, NIV, PME, and RSV renderings respectively.

Balance indicates mental and emotional steadiness, calmness, the

ability to resist pressures that sway, to avoid extremes both in

thought and conduct. The word “balance” rarely appears in Bible

translations. But it is implicit in the many Scriptural exhortations toward understanding, insight, perceptiveness, for it is a product of those qualities. I believe it is best exemplified for us in the life of God’s Son, in what he said, did and, above all, what he was as a person. His apostles reflect the influence of the balance they saw in, and learned from, their Master....................copied from In Search of Christian freedom

You need Ray Franz books sincerely. Crisis of Conscience and ISoCF.

I recommend you read the chapter 17 of ISoCF with title

THE CHALLENGE OF CHRISTIAN FREEDOM. By the time you conclude the reading you can decide to take other chapters as you desire. But now you really need chapter 17 Keep the Bible verse above to keep your SUICIDAL THOUGHT in check.

You are able to connect with us here because many of here CHALLENGED the suicidal thought and beat it at its own game. Had they succumbed. You won't come here.

Fear of Freedom

To fear is to expect punishment, and anyone who is afraid is still imperfect in love.—1 John 4:18, Jerusalem Bible.

Christian freedom, as has been noted, is not simply a negative freedom—the freedom not to believe, not to do—but primarily a positive freedom, the freedom to believe, to do, to be. Though it may seem strange, many find such positive freedom, or just the prospect of it, frightening. For that freedom means taking on responsibility to come to conclusions based on understanding and convictions personally arrived at in one’s own mind and heart, not in someone else’s mind and heart or founded on others’ interpretations and reasonings; the responsibility to make personal choices.............still on Chapter 17

Regarding 1 John 4:18 it is meant to address the PUNISHMENT you are about to face concerning being SENT PACKING from HOME and the challenge you are about to face here on in life.

The Storm is HERE every free Christian out there FACED and weathered the storm.

In addition to your taking sabatcical you might add that ALL ORGANIZED RELIGIONS are CONFLICTED in the way they are ALL CONSTITUTED internally and externally and you have to put your faith in order co concerning that. The reason you are taking a sabbatical

I bet the elders won't grasp where you are coming from.

I leave you with James 1:27 this you can do, this anyone can do without being a MEMBER OF ANY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.

The below is a BONUS to the numerous task you set for yourself as highlighted below........

I can take time to understand how I will proceed and further confirm to myself how the Watchtower is a destructive cult which rules by fear and manipulation to maintain their thirst for power and money.

https://beroeans.net/2018/11/09/awakening-part-4-where-do-i-go-now/