Posts by Longlivetherenegades

Even the name JEHOVAH they use as God's name and go about using it to condemn others as not using in their worship to God does not originate with anything whatsoever called JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION. I repeat

what do Jehovah’s witnesses teach and preach as truth that they didn't inherit, source from somewhere else. What?

They even had to harness different Bible commentaries of those they call CHRISTENDOM, preachers, teachers and practitioners of pagan festivals in their own publications.

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Nice to hear / Gorby's son

by Gorb in

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gorby's son, 12 year old,, made his father happy and thinking.. he said: "truth and logic are connected.

jw.org is not logic so it has no truth".. one line with so much to think about.. g..

Longlivetherenegades

I@ Gorb

Jehovah’s witnesses love to hammer humility into the minds and memories of their members but they find it difficult assimilating the below from 1 Corinthians 4:7

For who makes you(Jehovah’s witnesses) different from anyone else(those they call Christendom) ? What do you(Jehovah’s witnesses) have(truth) that you(Jehovah’s witnesses) did not receive? And if you(Jehovah’s witnesses) did receive it(truth), why do you(Jehovah’s witnesses) boast as though you(Jehovah’s witnesses) did not?

Sorry for derailing your thread. It is kind of related anyway except it is not the intended outcome you seek.

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Nice to hear / Gorby's son

by Gorb in

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gorby's son, 12 year old,, made his father happy and thinking.. he said: "truth and logic are connected.

jw.org is not logic so it has no truth".. one line with so much to think about.. g..

Longlivetherenegades

@ Nephilim87

No victim here at all. Just trying to have a conversation. I have love for everyone.

That's why you need to face the discussion and stop diverting or going into your earlier words below:

I feel like you just have a hate on for them

Then you added

The practice of disfellowship is from the Bible. 1 Cor. 5:11.

Why were they teaching that it had nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with PAGANISM even went as far as calling the Catholics EXTREMISTS for using excommunication and disfellowshipping to TERRORISE their member? Why? Was 1 Corinthians 5:11 translated into English in years 1960 and above?

In reality, the Catholics teach this TRUTH correctly and the Jehovah’s witnesses were going back and forth with their usual light getting brighter and calling it falsehood then back to truth.

Whenever the 4 Hebrew letters for Gods name appear in the Hebrew manuscripts of the Bible, the churches have almost invariably substituted the title “Lord” in their translations. In English the letters for His name JHVH or YHWH. How can you get Lord out of that? It does not even remotely resemble the personal name of God, which with vowels added,is Jehovah or as some prefer Yahweh. I have no idea where you got the pagan origins from.

I bet you get that research from someplace somewhere isn't it. Please who coined the name JEHOVAH? Is that person a member of "Jehovah’s organisation"? Does that name "JEHOVAH" originate with member of the Jehovah’s witness religious organization or with those the religious organization called PAGAN worshippers?

I don’t know where you came up with that I dont like calling Jesus to give glory to the Father. We would all be dead without Jesus. He gave His life for us.

When you call on the name of Jesus, do you equally not call and give glory to the Father? Will you say Amen to prayers offered in the name of Jesus by those this religious organisation called CHRISTENDOM?

Again I don’t see how I’m changing the goal posts. I’m pointing out that the trinity doctrine is used by a lot of Christian churches and it is a false doctrine and Jehovahs Witnesses do not. Going back to the OP saying that what truths do they have?

You started with ALL churches and came back to popular churches. In reality the truth you say they have was not their originality they obtained it from somewhere else. Then you added

Going back to the OP saying that what truths do they have?

Which shows that the Op indeed had a point.

Have a great day. ( not meant sarcastically either)

Thank you so far you keep it in your note that my post carries no hatred. What TRUTH Jehovah’s Witnesses really have that they did not receive

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Nice to hear / Gorby's son

by Gorb in

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gorby's son, 12 year old,, made his father happy and thinking.. he said: "truth and logic are connected.

jw.org is not logic so it has no truth".. one line with so much to think about.. g..

Longlivetherenegades

@ Nephilim87

I feel like you just have a hate on for them

Jehovah’s Witnesses love playing the victim and hatred card game. Just like you posit up there.

What pagan doctrines do they follow ? I’d like to know.

By their own words they will be condemned. They taught and condemned the Catholics for teaching and practice of excommunication aka disfellowshipment based on the fact that they believe it is of PAGAN origin and had nothing to do with Christianity. Here we are in the 21st century it is now a loving provision made by Jehovah😁😁😁😁

So Jehovah is His name. What organization has made his name known like the Witnesses have?

1. Jehovah’s is his name as coined by PAGANS and presented on a platter of Gold to Jehovah’s organization to spread all over the world. In reality they were not the one that got that right as God's name.

2. To people like you calling God the Father is just a title and common noun for calling God😁😁😁. The reason when calling the name of Jesus which gives glory to the father does not sit well with you.

The vast majority of Christian churches believe in the trinity then. The most popular ones.

Usual mode of operation of JWs when engaged in discussion, keep changing the goal post. Atleast you know the not popular ones don't believe the TRINITY and you are not the only one who don't believe in the trinity. My position about who believed it or not is never about popularity contest.

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Nice to hear / Gorby's son

by Gorb in

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friends

gorby's son, 12 year old,, made his father happy and thinking.. he said: "truth and logic are connected.

jw.org is not logic so it has no truth".. one line with so much to think about.. g..

Longlivetherenegades

@ Nephilim87

The reason I will have to repeat, what do the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses have that they do not receive.

You said..........

All of the Christian churches are using a pagan doctrine.

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You should know not all churches believe the trinity and the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is not free from pagan doctrine.

Are they?

Jehovah is his name. I agree. What difference does it make where it came from as long as it’s getting known?

At least you know they didn't get that right and it was never their origination and you will be contented spreading what the religious organization says was coined by pagan and pagan worshippers.

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Nice to hear / Gorby's son

by Gorb in

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friends

gorby's son, 12 year old,, made his father happy and thinking.. he said: "truth and logic are connected.

jw.org is not logic so it has no truth".. one line with so much to think about.. g..

Longlivetherenegades

@Nephilim87

what did they get right that others before them don't know?

What really do they have that they did not receive or obtain from one place or another?

Even the name JEHOVAH they peddle all over the world as God's name didn't come from the organization. Jehovah didn't appear first in the Bible of Jehovah's Witnesses.

WHO or WHAT is the Watch Tower?

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b. the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

2. where was the faithful and discreet slave or governing body in 1924 that the word "watch tower" was used in this paragraph in year 2015?.

b. the governing body of jehovah's witnesses .

Longlivetherenegades

In 1924, The Watch Tower said that the Samaritan pictured Jesus; the road from Jerusalem to Jericho, which ran downhill, pictured mankind’s downward course since the rebellion in Eden; the thieves on the road pictured giant corporations and profiteers; and the priest and the Levite typified ecclesiastical systems. Today, our literature uses that illustration to remind all Christians that we must be impartial in rendering aid to those in need, especially in a spiritual sense. Does it not make us happy to see that Jehovah makes his teachings clear to us? said that the Samaritan pictured Jesus; the road from Jerusalem to Jericho, which ran downhill, pictured mankind’s downward course since the rebellion in Eden; the thieves on the road pictured giant corporations and profiteers; and the priest and the Levite typified ecclesiastical systems. Today, our literature uses that illustration to remind all Christians that we must be impartial in rendering aid to those in need, especially in a spiritual sense. Does it not make us happy to see that Jehovah makes his teachings clear to us?......March 2015 study article 1 paragraph 14

QUESTIONS

1. Who or what was that Watch Tower referred to here in 1924?

A. The faithful and discreet slave

B. The Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses

C. Jehovah's organization

D. The Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

E. The legal person at law of the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

F. Rutherford

2. Where was the Faithful and discreet slave or Governing Body in 1924 that the word "Watch Tower" was used in this paragraph in year 2015?

A. Non existent

B. Were already appointed by Jesus in 1919

C. Only faithful slave was in existent and appointed in 1919 but haven't taken oath of office.

D. Governing body is non-existent in 1924.

E. Faithful and discreet slave and governing body are body of truths that are non-existent as at 1924.

F. Rutherford is the only existing Watch Tower in 1924

3. Is the Watch Tower......

A. The faithful and discreet slave

B. The Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses

C. Jehovah's organization

D. The Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

E. The legal person at law of the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

F. Rutherford aka the Generalissmo.

4. Who was teaching the Jehovah’s witnesses as a whole in 1924....

A. The faithful and discreet slave

B. The Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses

C. The legal person at law of the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

D. The generallismo only aka Rutherford

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Does the WTS have a clergy class

by blondie in

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this can be confusing because the wts has adjusted from not having a clergy class to not having a "paid" clergy class.. "a congregation of brothers precludes having a proud clergy class that honors itself with high-sounding titles and elevates itself above a laity" wt 6/1/2001 p. 12, pp 11. still same idea in 2021 wt october, p. 20, pp.

7, but 2022 in the wt publication, frequently asked questions about jehovah’s witnesses, page 13, the wts inserts "paid" in front of "clergy perhaps to shore up their current statement in secular courts they have clergy, just not paid) "following the model of first-century christianity, jehovah’s witnesses have no clergy-laity division.

all baptized witnesses are ordained ministers and share in the preaching and teaching work.

Longlivetherenegades

Meaning of Clergy: 1. the body of all people ordained for religious duties, especially in the Christian Church.

Clergy: 2. a group ordained to perform pastoral or sacerdotal functions in a Christian church

From the main post created by blondie......

Following the model of first-century Christianity, Jehovah’s Witnesses have no clergy-laity division. All baptized Witnesses are ordained ministers and share in the preaching and teaching work.

From the above it follows that all ELDERS aka BODY of ELDERS of Christian congregation of Jehovah's witnesses are ordained for religious duties such as pastoral and sacerdotal functions.

They sure have a clergy and a clergy class even calling it body of elders. The body of elders is a class of body in the ONE BODY of Jesus christ

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Mind control

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wt has really been doing a great job at mind-controlling their members.

how can people who say they are your friends not even want to know why you're leaving when you want them to know?!

eh!

Longlivetherenegades

@ Simon spot on

Natural affection goes into the trash can once a person go up there and say..... Bro longlivetherenegade is no longer a Jehovah’s witness😂😂😂😂😂😂

Natural affection in the world of Jehovah's Witnesses is conditioned not natural.