it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .
for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.
from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.
Luke 18: 17 Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.
From the above
Only 144,000 who are the least in the kingdom of the heavens are those who received the kingdom of God like young child. Thereby allowed entrance into it.
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it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .
for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.
from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.
@Vanderhoven
I tend to see the import of the scriptures you cited when one look at what was stated in
John 11: 12 from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal towards which men press and those pressing forward are seizing it.
it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .
for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.
from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.
That article of 1962 got me laughing the moment they INTRODUCED FIGURATIVE into the whole aspect and the article went to state.........
The natural or fleshly Jews of the nation of Israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of God’s.
The Jews were not claiming anything they knew ABRAHAM was their father, Jesus attest to it in John 8:56.
Then this.........
but because of their( the natural Jews and freshly Jews).........LITERALLY.......
lack of faith in Christ they were not in it. Hence, as Jesus said (Matt. 8:12): “The sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.
From their explanation
Matthew 8:11 is figurative
Matthew 8:12 is literal
They were sons of the kingdom because they were descendants of Abraham literally not FIGURATIVELY.
it is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .
for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.
from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.
It is therefore evident that in Matthew 8:11 Jesus referred to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob FIGURATIVELY.............
For this reason it became necessary that many Gentiles (non-Jews), like the Roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by Jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized Christians..............
The natural or fleshly Jews of the nation of Israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of God’s kingdom. From the day of Pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in Christ they were not in it. Hence, as Jesus said (Matt. 8:12): “The sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1962207
Is Matthew 8:11 from the Watchtower literal and figurative simultaneously
Is Matthew 8:11 figurative from the watchtower?
Is Matthew 8:12 literal from the watchtower?
What is your take?
i've just been introduced to this site by a pimo friend of mine.
this will be my first post on this website.
i need help, and he told me you guys are a very supportive community.. i'm a female in my mid twenties.
@ Scarlet Martin
The Elusive Quality of Balance
Keep your head in all situations. Keep your mind sane and balanced. Always be steady.—2 Timothy4 :5, NIV, PME, and RSV renderings respectively.
Balance indicates mental and emotional steadiness, calmness, the
ability to resist pressures that sway, to avoid extremes both in
thought and conduct. The word “balance” rarely appears in Bible
translations. But it is implicit in the many Scriptural exhortations toward understanding, insight, perceptiveness, for it is a product of those qualities. I believe it is best exemplified for us in the life of God’s Son, in what he said, did and, above all, what he was as a person. His apostles reflect the influence of the balance they saw in, and learned from, their Master....................copied from In Search of Christian freedom
You need Ray Franz books sincerely. Crisis of Conscience and ISoCF.
I recommend you read the chapter 17 of ISoCF with title
THE CHALLENGE OF CHRISTIAN FREEDOM. By the time you conclude the reading you can decide to take other chapters as you desire. But now you really need chapter 17 Keep the Bible verse above to keep your SUICIDAL THOUGHT in check.
You are able to connect with us here because many of here CHALLENGED the suicidal thought and beat it at its own game. Had they succumbed. You won't come here.
Fear of Freedom
To fear is to expect punishment, and anyone who is afraid is still imperfect in love.—1 John 4:18, Jerusalem Bible.
Christian freedom, as has been noted, is not simply a negative freedom—the freedom not to believe, not to do—but primarily a positive freedom, the freedom to believe, to do, to be. Though it may seem strange, many find such positive freedom, or just the prospect of it, frightening. For that freedom means taking on responsibility to come to conclusions based on understanding and convictions personally arrived at in one’s own mind and heart, not in someone else’s mind and heart or founded on others’ interpretations and reasonings; the responsibility to make personal choices.............still on Chapter 17
Regarding 1 John 4:18 it is meant to address the PUNISHMENT you are about to face concerning being SENT PACKING from HOME and the challenge you are about to face here on in life.
The Storm is HERE every free Christian out there FACED and weathered the storm.
In addition to your taking sabatcical you might add that ALL ORGANIZED RELIGIONS are CONFLICTED in the way they are ALL CONSTITUTED internally and externally and you have to put your faith in order co concerning that. The reason you are taking a sabbatical
I bet the elders won't grasp where you are coming from.
I leave you with James 1:27 this you can do, this anyone can do without being a MEMBER OF ANY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.
The below is a BONUS to the numerous task you set for yourself as highlighted below........
I can take time to understand how I will proceed and further confirm to myself how the Watchtower is a destructive cult which rules by fear and manipulation to maintain their thirst for power and money.
https://beroeans.net/2018/11/09/awakening-part-4-where-do-i-go-now/
do you think they feel bad for us!
envy us or basically don’t give a 💩?
?.
@ Nitty-Gritty
What I am trying to state is You are a PIMI that FILTERS and you are not strictly bound to the position of those taking the LEAD in your midst going by your comment on AM latest videos on apostates.
do you think they feel bad for us!
envy us or basically don’t give a 💩?
?.
What about a PIMI JW sending a message to you saying those taking the lead in the congregation told everyone to view you not as a FRIEND but more like an ENEMY. The video of AM says it all.
The fact that some were asked to seek those for who have left or become inactive coming from the PROMPT of a watchtower article and members followed the content of the article says a lot about how they view those who LEFT.
do you think they feel bad for us!
envy us or basically don’t give a 💩?
?.
@ nitty gritty you say you are PIMI
A PIMI that filters or Mentally in that FILTERS is that correct?
hi friends, feel free to correct me where i`m wrong with this post.after all it`s just my observation of jw`s and the bible.. in the beginning of gods dealings with adam it was on a personal level , god to man so to speak.. god then dealt with humans via the patriarchs , then with the levi priesthood ,then judges ,( and a woman was a judge ) then kings ,somewhere in between all of this prophets played a major part ,and then came jesus christ the messiah.. and to my knowledge god has not validated a successor to him with any evidence i`ve seen .. jehovah`s witnesses claim to be christians but have with no new testament backing usurped jesus with jehovah.. this period of time ,until god says otherwise ,christians are to give honour and glory to none other than jesus christ .. that is the name that is above any other name until god says otherwise.
phil.2:9-11. not the name jehovah .the bible never says anything about a kingdom of jehovah ,the coming kingdom is the kingdom of jesus christ with his associate 144,000 earthly subjects.. this is just my understanding of what the bible actually says .. whether i believe it or not is another matter..
Furthermore, there is no salvation, in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved...........
The reference in front of other name as captured in the NWT Bible 2013 in the book of Acts 4:12 has phillipians 2:9,10.
The organization loves manipulation and merry-go-round things. Whenever they approach from here on, I tend to throw a pointed question at them using Acts 4:12 or Phillipians 2:9,10.
According to the two scriptures above, to be saved, do I have to call upon Jehovah?
Do I have to be a Jehovah’s Witness to call on Jesus?
Should they say yes, which I believe they won't. I ask further. Do JWs call on Jesus to be saved?
one of the benefits of justification is eternal life for believers.
i found an interesting passage from the wt, june 15, 1974 which reads:.
"it is to the spirit anointed christians who will rule in that kingdom that most of the christian-greek scriptures is directed, including the promise of everlasting life.
@Bobcat
And we have seen cases where the WT states that account of 1 Timothy 6:14-16 refers to JESUS CHRIST. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005649 but limiting Jesus being called only POTENTATE and having the ONLY ONE HAVING IMMORTALITY as comparison him with fellow humans on EARTH
Don't know if anyone have where this particular article had been analyzed
