Asshole elders can't even spell my name right after 11 years in the same congregation. They just sent my husband a text trying to get him to make me meet with them and they spelled my name wrong. After 11 years of knowing me. Just goes to show how little they care. Fuck those guys. Organization heavies, the lot of them.
Posts by Sevan
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29The Elders want to meet with me and the hubby... Lol lol lol
by Sevan inso the elders called wanting to meet with me and my husband.
most likely because i told a concerned jw friend of mine that i really care about that i wasn't coming back and a couple of the issues i had.
i didn't bring up any so-called "apostate" information, just told her about the australian royal commission and that there are a lot of unscriptural teachings and that the gb apply scriptures that are about jehovah and jesus to themselves, which is idolatry.
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Sophia and Caleb videos helped wake me up
by Sevan inso the sophia and caleb videos on jw.org where the parents emotionally abuse their children (especially the sparlock/obey jehovah video and the pay attention at the meetings/death threat video) were real eye openers for me.
previous to these videos, i was able to delude myself that the crazy, unbalanced behavior i noticed in some witness parents was the result of their own mental issues.
now i realize this craziness is being pushed and encouraged from the tippy top, from the grand ole maleficent seven.
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Come to think if it, with all the talks, videos and literature that made me mad over the years, all the unbiblical and pharasaical nonsense, it is absolutely amazing I stayed in as long as I did. I just didn't know where else to go.
Tony Morris's "tight pants" talk and the anti critical-thinking talk at the 2012/2013? convention are a couple of the many "holy shit, I think I might be in a cult" moments for me. But the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for me was the shunning video at this year's convention. I could no longer delude myself that the evil extreme shunning I saw some Witnesses practicing toward their family was the result of imperfect humans in the congregation. I could no longer maintain the fantasy that the GB was going to correct this nonsense and come out with more loving directions. I now realize that the rank and file originate nothing. This sick and twisted behavior comes from the top down. There is no Holy Spirit directing these men. Just thirst for power, status and money.
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Sophia and Caleb videos helped wake me up
by Sevan inso the sophia and caleb videos on jw.org where the parents emotionally abuse their children (especially the sparlock/obey jehovah video and the pay attention at the meetings/death threat video) were real eye openers for me.
previous to these videos, i was able to delude myself that the crazy, unbalanced behavior i noticed in some witness parents was the result of their own mental issues.
now i realize this craziness is being pushed and encouraged from the tippy top, from the grand ole maleficent seven.
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Yeah, I forgot about that one DesirousOfChange. I was completely disgusted when I saw that too. They are literally stealing candy, or in this case ice cream, from babes.
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Sophia and Caleb videos helped wake me up
by Sevan inso the sophia and caleb videos on jw.org where the parents emotionally abuse their children (especially the sparlock/obey jehovah video and the pay attention at the meetings/death threat video) were real eye openers for me.
previous to these videos, i was able to delude myself that the crazy, unbalanced behavior i noticed in some witness parents was the result of their own mental issues.
now i realize this craziness is being pushed and encouraged from the tippy top, from the grand ole maleficent seven.
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So the Sophia and Caleb videos on jw.org where the parents emotionally abuse their children (especially the Sparlock/Obey Jehovah video and the Pay Attention at the Meetings/death threat video) were real eye openers for me.
Previous to these videos, I was able to delude myself that the crazy, unbalanced behavior I noticed in some Witness parents was the result of their own mental issues. Now I realize this craziness is being pushed and encouraged from the tippy top, from the grand ole maleficent seven.
My step-kid's bio mom is a lot like the crazy controlling hyper uptight and unbalanced mom in the Sophia and Caleb videos. She's worse of course because she's also a double life-living, hypocritical, pathologically lying narcissist. But yeah, she's given my step-kids insane guilt trips over stuff my husband and I let them watch (My Little Pony, Transformers, Pokemon, Beauty and the Beast, Frozen, etc) and related toys we bought them. I have always been so annoyed about this because my step-kids would be in tears with guilt after their mom lit into them and then wouldn't want to play with hundreds of dollars of toys that we bought them that they were super excited about and asked us to get them before their crazy mom guilt-tripped them. I have always told the kids that Jehovah cares a lot more about how kind, loving and considerate they are than what TV shows and movies they watch.
Now I know that their crazy mom has just been following orders from the Borg and I am the one that was never properly assimilated.
Anyway, just saying, the Sophia and Caleb videos are one of the many things that added up to help open my eyes. So the GB can blame themselves for that one. These videos are back firing.
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The Elders want to meet with me and the hubby... Lol lol lol
by Sevan inso the elders called wanting to meet with me and my husband.
most likely because i told a concerned jw friend of mine that i really care about that i wasn't coming back and a couple of the issues i had.
i didn't bring up any so-called "apostate" information, just told her about the australian royal commission and that there are a lot of unscriptural teachings and that the gb apply scriptures that are about jehovah and jesus to themselves, which is idolatry.
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Thanks guys for all the good advice.
I'm annoyed with my friend for not just talking to me. But that is pretty typical. JWs are so afraid of losing their shaky faith that they can't bear to actually face any opposing ideas. Plus the organization encourages a spy/snitch culture.
But I'm pissed off as all get out at the elders for calling me over and over and harassing me to meet with them when I haven't been to a meeting or out in service in a month and a half and they have literally, in all my years as a JW, never reached out to actually help me or encourage me spiritually. Bunch of self-righteous pricks. They are just chomping at the bit at the opportunity to have a JC.
Man would I like to give them a piece of my mind about this pedophile harboring cult. But really screw them. I'm not going to give them the pleasure of a JC or the respect of recognizing their imaginary authority. And if they don't leave me alone, I will send them a cease and desist letter. Shepherds of the flock my eye.
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The Genesis account again proved WRONG
by opusdei1972 inaccording to the watchtower's insight encyclopedia : .
the catastrophic destruction of men and animals by an overwhelming flood in the days of noah, 2370 b.c.e.
this greatest cataclysm in all human history was sent by jehovah because wicked men had filled the earth with violence.
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This is what I think:
There was factually, scientifically no worldwide flood. See jwfacts.com for an excellent analysis of this. There very well could have been a very bad local flood, which is most likely what the Noah account refers to.
The Bible is not near as literal as modern fundamentalism makes it out to be. Some of the stories are most likely allegories to teach a lesson. There is no way the dates and ages in the Bible are literally accurate as humans and human civilizations have been around a lot longer than 6,000 years according to all archaeological and scientific research.
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The Elders want to meet with me and the hubby... Lol lol lol
by Sevan inso the elders called wanting to meet with me and my husband.
most likely because i told a concerned jw friend of mine that i really care about that i wasn't coming back and a couple of the issues i had.
i didn't bring up any so-called "apostate" information, just told her about the australian royal commission and that there are a lot of unscriptural teachings and that the gb apply scriptures that are about jehovah and jesus to themselves, which is idolatry.
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pale.emperor - celebrate your birthday! It is awesome.
I celebrated my birthday and all the holidays growing up as I wasn't raised a JW. I have a lot of happy memories of all the holidays and birthdays growing up.
I had a difficult childhood though and was a prime target for the JWs, as I was very downtrodden when they first started calling on me. I was looking for hope and answers and they promised both. I was only 12 years old when they first started bringing me literature. My mother let me start studying at 13 even though she wasn't a JW and didn't agree with the religion. I stopped celebrating all the holidays (so difficult) on my own after my 16th birthday. I got baptized just before I turned 18. My mother has told me many times how much she regrets letting me study. My mother always let us make our own choices and she in many ways gave us too much freedom.
I missed many of my milestone birthdays (18th, 21st, 25th and 30th) because of this religion and that of my siblings and parents. I missed 2 of my siblings' big 4-0s. I'm planning on going all out for one of my other sister's big 4-0 next year!
I'm so glad my kids won't miss out on the childhood memory of birthdays.
I've secretly been celebrating Thanksgiving for several years now (always my favorite holiday). I'm going to start celebrating mother's and father's day too! Not sure yet if I'm going to celebrate the other holidays.
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The Elders want to meet with me and the hubby... Lol lol lol
by Sevan inso the elders called wanting to meet with me and my husband.
most likely because i told a concerned jw friend of mine that i really care about that i wasn't coming back and a couple of the issues i had.
i didn't bring up any so-called "apostate" information, just told her about the australian royal commission and that there are a lot of unscriptural teachings and that the gb apply scriptures that are about jehovah and jesus to themselves, which is idolatry.
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ToesUp, all my immediate and extended family are not JWs, so I don't really care whether I'm DF'd/DA'd. But I do care about my husband. All his family are in and he specifically asked me to quietly fade so as not to cause problems with his family. I already went against him by talking to my friend when he asked me not to tell any of the JWs my "apostate" thoughts.
If it weren't for him, I would have written or met up with all of my JW friends that I'm closer to and laid down the facts about the organization.
I have no need to meet with the elders. There is zero chance they will change my mind or that I will change theirs. Also, I don't recognize their authority whatsoever.
I will follow your advice and tell them that I'm fine and will reach out to them if need be. Actually, I'm going to have my husband do it for me, since he is my "head" and they might actually listen to him.
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The Elders want to meet with me and the hubby... Lol lol lol
by Sevan inso the elders called wanting to meet with me and my husband.
most likely because i told a concerned jw friend of mine that i really care about that i wasn't coming back and a couple of the issues i had.
i didn't bring up any so-called "apostate" information, just told her about the australian royal commission and that there are a lot of unscriptural teachings and that the gb apply scriptures that are about jehovah and jesus to themselves, which is idolatry.
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Well yeah, Crazyguy, this is the religion of give give give all you have and then some to the maleficent seven... er I mean Governing Body... and get nothing in return, don't ya know.
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The Elders want to meet with me and the hubby... Lol lol lol
by Sevan inso the elders called wanting to meet with me and my husband.
most likely because i told a concerned jw friend of mine that i really care about that i wasn't coming back and a couple of the issues i had.
i didn't bring up any so-called "apostate" information, just told her about the australian royal commission and that there are a lot of unscriptural teachings and that the gb apply scriptures that are about jehovah and jesus to themselves, which is idolatry.
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So the elders called wanting to meet with me and my husband.
Most likely because I told a concerned JW friend of mine that I really care about that I wasn't coming back and a couple of the issues I had. I didn't bring up any so-called "apostate" information, just told her about the Australian Royal Commission and that there are a lot of unscriptural teachings and that the GB apply Scriptures that are about Jehovah and Jesus to themselves, which is idolatry.
Well she reacted like a good JW bot and did not respond to anything I said and then turned me into the elders. I'm not mad at her. She's just reacting the way she's been trained by the cult to react. I still love her very much. She's a good person and could be an even better person without the cult pushing against her better more loving nature. I feel sorry for her being trapped in this cult. All her family, except her three adult children, are in the cult. She is so distressed about her children. Even before I left, I tried to put her mind at ease about her kids and told her that Jehovah reads hearts. I feel bad that she is sitting there thinking that her kids are getting destroyed at Armageddon. She is depressed a lot about this. This cult really messes with people's minds.
Anyway, back to the elders. These guys have never helped me when I have been in need. Never visited me when in the hospital, never helped me move, never helped me with family issues, never visited me or even called me when I missed meetings for several months one year, never helped me when I was out of work and had no money (my "worldly" family did thank you very much), etc, etc. And in the last 20 years, they have never called on me for a shepherding visit that I did not specifically ask for. I think I have had a total of 4 shepherding visits in the last two decades, all at my request.
But now that I have so-called "apostate" beliefs, I'm getting calls and messages from the elders. These "shepherds" of the flock. Lol lol lol lol. Yeah, I don't think so dudes.
I will never, ever, not in a million years, go back to that crazy pedophile harboring cult.
I'm only sad about those that I care about that are still in. That I can't say a proper farewell and tell them how much I love them. It is bull that I can't show them all that I've found. They probably wouldn't be willing to listen anyway, but I should at least have the option to try to help them. Even though I know their friendship is conditional on me being a JW, as they have been trained and as I was trained for too long, I do still think they are good people and I still do love my friends in the congregation. Very sad and heartbreaking.
But still worth it to get my children out of the cult while they are still young and have a chance at a normal childhood. And for myself and hopefully soon husband. I celebrated my birthday yesterday for the first time since I was 16! It was great! And I secretly celebrated my step-daughters birthday. I got her presents and made her a special cake. She loved it! Since she's still very indoctrinated, I put her mind at ease and told her it wasn't a birthday party, just my way of showing that I was excited that she turned 9. She bought it, lol.
My husband has been supporting me btw. He even made me a special breakfast and bought me flowers for my birthday. He just isn't ready to go full on anti-JW, even though he doesn't really believe, because all his immediate and extended family are in, which I understand.