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  Next Guardian Article Saturday?

  by Englishman in

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  just got this email from stephen bates:.

  "i think another article will be going in the guardian tomorrow (ie saturday's.

  paper...) so long as the war doesn't take up all the space.....".

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  [quote]Is it safe to assume that The Guardian is a reputable newspaper?

  Never assume anything, but if you do, that is it! The Guardian is at least on a level with The [London] Times. Personally, I consider the paper to be the best in the world. It's a bit left wing which is why it is so good, but it carries major clout. Hell, it started in Manchester. Read Roy Hattersley's pieces, a former member of a UK gvnmt, if you doubt. It certainly has the best UK paper's web site by a long chalk.

  How many journalists from a national[/i] paper would take the time to post here? Mr. Stephen Bates is no slouch; he has reported on child abuse in the Catholic Church, issues with the English monarchy, transfusions for JWs, and a whole host of other subjects, including the fact that the Queen keeps a plastic duck. Only someone with huevos and credibility could write such an article in the Grdn. This is HUGE.....

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  Latest UN info; 7:00 pm eastern time

  by biblexaminer in

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  latest un information as of 7:00 pm eastern time (canada/us).

  i spoke to the man who heads the ngo office at united nations headquarters.

  i will not release his name at this point because i was asked not to by the individual who gave me the contact information.

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  Francois,

  One thing that can be counted on for sure; the WTB&TS will do whatever's good for the WTB&TS.

  That is true; I wonder if, in thie case, they actually know what that is. Their reaction seems ill thought through at best.

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  WT's UN excuse

  by roybatty in

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  just a question.

  what stops the boys in crooklyn from simply saying: "look, we don't know why so & so filled out this form to become a ngo.

  we, the governing body didn't know about it and as soon as we did we removed outselves from association with the un.

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  Roybatty,

  For 10 years they have been supplying the UN with carefully selected examples of their literature which supports the UN's principles. That's hard to explain away, esp. since the GB supposedly oversees all articles. Some are clearly written to give the impression of promoting the UN, e.g., the Sep. (I believe) 1991 series of articles in Awake.

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  MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

  by hawkaw in

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  as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

  the dpi is now taking them off the list.

  the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

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  wannahelp,

  The Guardian article was in the paper itself - nice big article actually. Kent's watchtowerobserver site has a scan of it.

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  Latest UN info; 7:00 pm eastern time

  by biblexaminer in

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  latest un information as of 7:00 pm eastern time (canada/us).

  i spoke to the man who heads the ngo office at united nations headquarters.

  i will not release his name at this point because i was asked not to by the individual who gave me the contact information.

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  BX,

  Good job. If such a letter can be generated then it will be worth much. The WTS has been hit where it hurts most - in its pocketbook. They applied to be an NGO for political reasons and being forced to relinquish that status, esp. if governments are made aware of the whys and wherefores, will do much to hurt them. While we all want to get our families out of the WTS the battle is much broader. The WTS is hunkering down because of the major hits it has taken of late, both internally and externally.

  The notion that the WTS can get away with anything is incorrect; inertia is certainly a consideration but the WTS is doomed unless it revamps. The only question is how long this will take. These incidents do much more to discourage them, and individual JWs, than is apparent.

  On another note, we should emphasize the following; the article in the Guardian included the opportunity for Paul Gillies to refute the accusations. He didn't do it, or the reportere was being dishonest. Obviously it is the former. However, dubs should be encouraged to get the WTS, and Gillies in particular to explain their nonsensical remarks. Gillies is a lowdown liar and any heat that can be applied to him will be productive. If I were in charge of the WTS operation I'd dump Gillies as the idiot he is. If he gets dumped then who knows what he'll say; clearly the man has no bottom.

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  Are there any bodybuilders on this forum?

  by Leander in

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  i've just recently started going back to the gym again and i have a few question for the fitness experts.. its suggested that you should take a day off in between working out with weights.

  is the same thing true for pushups?.

  does anyone know of a few bodybuilding sites?

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  I haven't lifted in a few years but I'd suggest that you get Arnold's book; The Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding. For motivation/fun etc. read Sam Fussell's book "muscle..."

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  Response from a friend re UN Claim

  by uncle_onion in

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  i sent a jw friend the info on the un and this is what he said back.

  i would to know if there is any truth in it please?.

  "look up web site ....www.hri.ca jehovah's witnesses are an.

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  Uncle Onion,

  The WTS is an NGO: _any_ organization that is non governmental is an NGO by definition. What matters here is that the WTS voluntarily and formally associated itself with the UN/DPI. Doing this involved certain obligations towards the UN and vice versa. On eobligation is that the WTS would try to motivate public opinion in favor of the UN, Not all NGOs are associated with the UN. As far as I can tell the link your friend supplied is not relevant.

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  MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

  by hawkaw in

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  as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

  the dpi is now taking them off the list.

  the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

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  Hawk,

  Terrific work! If we could get copies of the material that the WTS along with other NGOs is supposed to supply "frequently" to show their support, then that would help too. It's supposed to be available for inspection in the DPI resource room, but that is likely still closed.

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  The problem with the Guardian article re WT-UN

  by comment in

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  in case you missed it:.

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,565005,00.html.

  on balance, it's good reporting of this issue, which certainly needs wide publicity.. but it does include some factual errors, and some specific turns of phrase that may put witnesses off.

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  Lisa,

  There were a couple of minor mistakes. However, the article was very good overall. It was accurate where it counts. And don't forget that many non JWs will read it. The main thing is that now the UN connection has been published in the press. If the UN actually investigates then there may eventually be some sort of press release.

  I agree that many JWs will discount it, they always do. But that mindset is what the WTS wants. If you don't send it to your relatives because it "sounds like a disgruntled" former member then the WTS has scored another point.

  Sometimes we can become overly sensitive to WTS sensibilities. This is a war of attrition; no single thing will do the trick but _anything_ that gets dubs thinking is a step in the right direction. If people write it off as apostate propaganda then so what?

  Don't shrink back (ahem...)

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  UN - WTS lionk hits National Press

  by Trilobite in

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  anyone see this: ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,565005,00.html

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  Anyone see this: ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,565005,00.html