Posts by StarryNight9

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Overwhelmed

by Freedom rocks in

does anyone else feel overwhelmed on what to believe?.

i've been doing lots of research on beliefs, evolution, creationism but i feel no further forward about what i truly believe.

for example i looked at the fossil record and tiktaalic and thought great it proves a lot but then i've seen counter arguments on youtube of people basically saying its a load of rubbish and doesn't prove anything.

StarryNight9

I like that science doesn't pretend to have all the answers to everything. There are just many answers that have yet to be discovered and tested. Watch out for misinterpretations of science - that's where a lot of the "science is wrong" arguments come from. Someone else mentioned the confusion over evolution (how living things change over time) being the same thing as abiogenesis (how biologic life started). I hear JWs and other religious people make this incorrect assumption all the time - and feeling very smart/smug about their dismissal of evolution. It's the same problem with their chimp/human argument. They claim we couldn't have evolved from chimps (or other current animal) since they're still around. It's yet another misunderstanding - evolution doesn't claim that. It's important to understand what's actually being said before dismissing it. If you like videos, here are a few good ones:

Evolution: https://youtu.be/XdddbYILel0

Irreducible complexity cut down to size: https://youtu.be/W96AJ0ChboU

What is Evolution: https://youtu.be/GhHOjC4oxh8

What is Natural Selection: https://youtu.be/0SCjhI86grU

Human Evolution: Crash Course Big History #6: https://youtu.be/UPggkvB9_dc

Evolution on Earth in 60 Seconds: https://youtu.be/OIWde6OpVZU

The Origin of Life - Abiogenisis - Dr. Zack Szostak: https://youtu.be/U6QYDdgP9eg

Proof of evolution that you can find on your body: https://youtu.be/rFxu7NEoKC8

Why Women Are Stripey: https://youtu.be/BD6h-wDj7bw

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Vegan?

by coalize in

"the wolf and the lamb will feed together, the lion will eat straw just like the bull, and the serpent’s food will be dust.

they will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain, says jehovah.

" - isaiah 65:25. a muthafuckin vegan paradise?.

StarryNight9

WTWizard " Even with vitamin B12 supplements, there are other nutrients found only in animal products that humans need."

I'll start off by saying that I'm not vegan or a vegetarian, but I do know that vegans can be perfectly healthy. B12 can be found in many fortified cereals or even nutritional yeast (it tastes sort of like cheese dust). A newly minted vegan has up to 5 years to get a clue about what healthy vegan eating is before their B12 reserves run out. Even omnivores can have vitamin deficiencies if we don't eat a healthy diet. It's just easier for omnivores because we don't have to think about what is basically healthy for us. We learn it as children. I'm sure that someone raised as a vegan would be perfectly aware of the need for B12 in their diet - just like us omnivores know about eating our vegetables.

*however - saying all animals will be vegan is just dumb

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Here's another subtle reverse-witnessing topic:

by neat blue dog in

jw
friends

the next time a jw brings up a natural disaster or severe weather event as proof of the last days, and they preface it by reciting a fact they heard on the news like, (just for the sake of example) 'it's the worst earthquake in 70 years' or 'the worst plague in 200' years', (you get the picture), then simply reply: "oh, so that means that ____ years ago there was one that was worse, right?".

i did this twice.

both times got the same response:.

StarryNight9

Talking with Uber-JWs is always a buzzkill. They revel in major disasters (nature or man-made) as "the end is near". It makes JWs extremely uncomfortable to go 100% Pollyanna with facts to back it up. The whole religion is a doom and gloom theme.

Personal disasters are just opportunities for a conversion. It's absolutely disgusting to hear JWs hoping people experience some sort of misfortune (especially the death of a loved one) so they're receptive to "the truth" the next time a JW approaches them.

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Alex Jones, Infowars Ban on Youtube, FB and other platforms

by pleaseresearch in

what are you thoughts on this?.

i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.

StarryNight9

I'm always amazed when people think free speech means you deserve to have someone else give you their pulpit (or even let you borrow/use it). If the owner kicks you off their property/pulpit (even if it's super popular), you'll have to build your own or convince someone else to give you one. That's just how it works. The free speech angle has no merit - no one has taped his mouth closed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I yelled at dubs today ( again )

by kairos in

jw
friends

so i roll up to the job site and looky there, two uber pioneer dubs dragging themselves down the sidewalk.

both ladies are in there early 60's and born in.. my heart started pumping, but i had to act.i was directly across the street from them.

i walked right to the sidewalk and said in a very loud, but not mean voice: "you can't teach overlapping generations from the bible!!

StarryNight9

It might be more fun to (calmly and logically) approach each of your neighbors and prepare them for future JW visits. Ask if they want the JWs to stop bugging them. If so, offer them questions (and internet resources) that will make the JWs highly uncomfortable (pedophilia cases, failed predictions, higher education, shunning, etc...). Use whatever each neighbor would find most objectionable and would be unlikely to let the JWs "explain away" without serious resistance. At least one of the neighbors should prick the JWs cognitive dissonance - especially if every door rebuffs their nonsense in an educated and calm manner. Getting treated as dumb/crazy/uninformed by an entire street (or streets) should bring out some doubts. Or they'll run away from aposta-land for good....

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WT Recruiting JW Solicitors (Lawyers)

by AverageJoe1 in

we all know how much the watchtower abhors "higher education" and that apparently jehovah thinks it is a big waste of time.

at least that is their official stance.

it might come as a shock to you that this month they have started a campaign drive to actually recruit jws who have higher education, specifically those who have legal training.. with all the law suits against them for creating an environment that is friendly to paedophiles, it is thus no wonder that they are in need of solicitors, especially those who are sympathetic towards the cult.. talk about hypocrisy!.

StarryNight9

I think they're relying on JWs who converted as adults (after getting their training/degrees). I think these type of converts will get more and more rare. Born-ins aren't getting any encouragement to receive higher education - quite the opposite. It's very hypocritical. They take advantage of higher education when it suites their fancy, but publicly disparage it at every opportunity.

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What would you do or say?

by Butyoucanneverleave in

a brother who is not baptized ( so there's still hope for him ) had a sister recently run into him at a store.

show wanted to know if he's going to the kingdom hall.

she asked him to write a letter for her to give to his mother ( who's deceased) in the paradise explaining why he didn't make it.

StarryNight9

Wow....soooo rude and mean. It boggles the mind, yet I'm not surprised. She probably congratulated herself afterwards and shared her triumph with other JWs.

I'd probably not have come up with anything on the spot like that. In hindsight... "my relationship with my other is a private matter" might work.

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Has Your Political Views Affected Your Buying Habits or Entertainment?

by minimus in

jw
friends

will you avoid nike or tend to not buy apparel because of their support of colin kap?

would you stop doing business with anyone simply because you disagree with their politics?

in california, in and out burger, democrats were being told not to support the chain because they donated to republicans.. will politics affect your spending habits?.

StarryNight9

If I can get a product for the same (or reasonably close) price at two different places... I'll go with the one that is less of a festering social disgrace. I don't have the financial luxury of boycotting every company I disagree with and I think a lot of people are in that boat too.

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Need some advice (am I a bad person)

by Jayk in

a little back story.

i met this women she was a coworker friend mine (found out she used to be a jw also).

one night after we got to drinking, things almost heated up.. she came on to me (she leaned in and tried to kiss me) i turned her down because i knew she had a bf.

StarryNight9

So... someone leaned in for a kiss (that ended up not happening) while drinking? An awkward encounter that's best forgotten by both people if there were no major revelations when discussed while totally sober. A year seems long enough to let it go... unless you have feelings for her beyond friendship.

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From no tight pants to Amish dress....how long?

by Diogenesister in

xanthippe what's this thing with really long dresses?

sometimes i see them on fs and i can't believe how long their dresses are now, almost down to the ground.. so i was reading some of xanthippe and phizzy's posts on the strangeness of jw dress and how much they stand out and i got to thinking.

so... at one point the amish dress code was current, right?

StarryNight9

JeffT:
"a majority of the women, of all ages, are wearing dresses that come to at least mid-calf."
"I think the problem with JW style clothing is not the clothing per se, it is the fact that they are frumps on the inside."

Anything ranging from just below the knee to mid-thigh is the norm where I am. Good point about appearances! As much as I like to talk about fashion, it's not really what counts.