Neonmadman (Tom),
Good post, and alot to mull over. Thanks
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Some things that annoy me about the WTS
by Leander ini'm still currently a jw myself and i'm serving as a minsterial servant in a limited capacity.
(a few weeks ago i was vocal about the doubts i've had and the elders made the decision to allow me to stay on as a ms but without giving talks) .
1. recently as in the last few years i've been paying more attention to the various members in the congregation and i've observed some interesting things.
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Some things that annoy me about the WTS
by Leander ini'm still currently a jw myself and i'm serving as a minsterial servant in a limited capacity.
(a few weeks ago i was vocal about the doubts i've had and the elders made the decision to allow me to stay on as a ms but without giving talks) .
1. recently as in the last few years i've been paying more attention to the various members in the congregation and i've observed some interesting things.
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Leander,
I'm glad you posted. My husband and share many, many of the same questions and concerns. I don't know what the solution is. I guess I keep hoping for a reform of sorts. Maybe if enough of us go strictly by the Bible and refuse to believe or teach the extra rules thrown in by man, we can make a difference for the good. That might be naive, but that's what I'm hoping for.
I know, it's discouraging. My husband used to be an MS and isn't now. He hasn't been to a meeting in 6 weeks. I still go, but considering how I used to be (pioneeer, went where need was great, etc.), I'm at a pretty low spiritual ebb right now. The lowest ever.
I share your confusion. Problems inside; doesn't feel right to leave either though. I still feel like it's God's organization, though maybe it has somehow drifted into a state where Jehovah might be feeling disapproval with it. (Like how the Israelites kept drifting off the mark, and then even in the first century too). So I keep wondering what Jehovah would have me do. Leave, or stay even though I know things are off kilter (like David, when he wouldn't strike out against Saul, the anointed of Jehovah - trusting that He will take care of things in His own way and time???)
For now, I'm stayin in, holding on, and holding out. In a kind of spiritual limbo. Really feeling good about some aspects of being a Witness, about the major doctrines, etc., but also seeing things in the congregation that also go terribly wrong. I don't try to sway my hubby either way. Whatever decision he makes, I want it to be his own.
In conclusion, what to do? What to doooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?
I don't feel qualified to give you advice, Leander. Except maybe to say "Don't make any quick decisions. Weigh things thoroughly." That's what I'm trying to do.
Leander, I'm glad you posted. I really am. Please know that you are not the only currently active JW struggling with these kinds of issues and questions. I can't help but think, in time, that things will become clearer, one way or the other.
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Gary, What are the 10 Questions?
by VM44 ingary,.
in a couple of posts, you mention 10 questions that you gave the.
elders to answer,which they never did.. now i am curious, what were those 10 questions?.
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I've Had It - I Just Can't Do it Anymore
by troubled inwell, it seems we're back to the same "you're a troll; you're not a troll" thing.
it seems that my posts make too many of you "uncomfortable," you have an "intuition," you "can't put your finger on it," whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
i thought this was a place where people can post and be heard.
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Well, it seems we're back to the same "You're a troll; you're not a troll" thing.
It seems that my posts make too many of you "uncomfortable," you have an "intuition," you "can't put your finger on it," WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought this was a place where people can post and be heard. Not be attacked. Not be condemned. WELL, I SURE DON'T SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every stinking time I get on this forum and raise a good question or try to figure something out, somebody comes up with this same stupid troll crap.
I mean, how many of you are there out there who think I'm a troll? And just why do I intimidate you so much? You guys drive me crazy! Maybe you're the ones with mental illness (PARANOIA).
To the ones here who have treated me good, I'm sorry. But anymore, every time I come to this discussion board, I end up having to defend myself, explain my motives, and I leave feeling like total crap! I don't need that!
Yeah, I'm the first to admit that JWs have problems. The elders and others in the congregation haven't always been there for me or my husband. But no one in the Hall has ever treated me like Dungbeetle, sf, Messenger, and Hawkaw have. Even as unhappy as I've been at the Hall lately, I'm happier there than I am here.
It just isn't worth it. I can do my research alone. I have enough problems in my life without putting up with more crap. I need a little happiness in my life and I'm not finding it here.
Larc and Seeker, if you want to give me your email address, maybe I will contact you one day. But if not, that's OK too. Don't feel obligated. But I've come and gone from this board 3 times and given it my best. I'm sick of trying. I'm outta here. And I will not be back.
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Question about Accuracy & Persuasion
by troubled inin my social psychology class, we are studying a chapter on persuasion.
here is an interesting excerpt from our study book, "social psychology: unraveling the mystery" by douglas kenrick, steven neuberg, and robert cialdini, page 171. please tell me if you think it applies to jws, ex-jws, and this board in general.. .
p. 170, "done deals".
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sf,
Oh brother. I guess we're back to the same "You're a troll; you're not a troll" thing. My posts make you "uncomfortable," you have an "intuition," you "can't put your finger on it," WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I thought this was a place where people can post and be heard. Not be attacked. Not be condemned. WELL, I SURE DON'T SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every stinking time I get on this forum and raise a good question or try to figure something out, somebody comes up with this same stupid troll crap.
I mean, how many of you are there out there who think I'm a troll? And just why do I intimidate you so much? You guys drive me crazy! Maybe you're the ones with mental illness (PARANOIA).
To the ones here who have treated me good, I'm sorry. But anymore, every time I come to this discussion board, I end up having to defend myself, explain my motives, and I leave feeling like total crap! I don't need that!
Yeah, I'm the first to admit that JWs have problems. The elders and others in the congregation haven't always been there for me or my husband. But no one in the Hall has ever treated me like Dungbeetle, sf, Messenger, and Hawkaw have. Even as unhappy as I've been at the Hall lately, I'm happier there than I am here.
It just isn't worth it. I can do my research alone. I have enough problems in my life without putting up with more crap. I need a little happiness in my life and I'm not finding it here.
Larc and Seeker, if you want to give me your email address, maybe I will contact you one day. But if not, that's OK too. Don't feel obligated. But I've come and gone from this board 3 times and given it my best. I'm sick of trying. I'm outta here. And I will not be back.
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Question about Accuracy & Persuasion
by troubled inin my social psychology class, we are studying a chapter on persuasion.
here is an interesting excerpt from our study book, "social psychology: unraveling the mystery" by douglas kenrick, steven neuberg, and robert cialdini, page 171. please tell me if you think it applies to jws, ex-jws, and this board in general.. .
p. 170, "done deals".
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sf,
Oh brother. I guess we're back to the same "You're a troll; you're not a troll" thing. My posts make you "uncomfortable," you have an "intuition," you "can't put your finger on it," WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought this was a place where people can post and be heard. Not be attacked. Not be condemned. WELL, I SURE DON'T SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every stinking time I get on this forum and raise a good question or try to figure something out, somebody comes up with this same stupid troll crap.
I mean, how many of you are there out there who think I'm a troll? And just why do I intimidate you so much? You guys drive me crazy! Maybe you're the ones with mental illness (PARANOIA).
To the ones here who have treated me good, I'm sorry. But anymore, every time I come to this discussion board, I end up having to defend myself, explain my motives, and I leave feeling like total crap! I don't need that!
Yeah, I'm the first to admit that JWs have problems. The elders and others in the congregation haven't always been there for me or my husband. But no one in the Hall has ever treated me like Dungbeetle, sf, Messenger, and Hawkaw have. Even as unhappy as I've been at the Hall lately, I'm happier there than I am here.
It just isn't worth it. I can do my research alone. I have enough problems in my life without putting up with more crap. I need a little happiness in my life and I'm not finding it here.
Larc and Seeker, if you want to give me your email address, maybe I will contact you one day. But if not, that's OK too. Don't feel obligated. But I've come and gone from this board 3 times and given it my best. I'm sick of trying. I'm outta here. And I will not be back.
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Question about Accuracy & Persuasion
by troubled inin my social psychology class, we are studying a chapter on persuasion.
here is an interesting excerpt from our study book, "social psychology: unraveling the mystery" by douglas kenrick, steven neuberg, and robert cialdini, page 171. please tell me if you think it applies to jws, ex-jws, and this board in general.. .
p. 170, "done deals".
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sf,
No offense, but you are acting really weird. You asked me a question and I answered it. No, you don't OWE me any explanation. But I'd like an answer to my question too. What have I done to offend you so much?
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Question about Accuracy & Persuasion
by troubled inin my social psychology class, we are studying a chapter on persuasion.
here is an interesting excerpt from our study book, "social psychology: unraveling the mystery" by douglas kenrick, steven neuberg, and robert cialdini, page 171. please tell me if you think it applies to jws, ex-jws, and this board in general.. .
p. 170, "done deals".
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sf,
You said:
"It's quite transparent why you ARE here. At least this is what I see and saw from day one."What did you see, and why are you mad that I am here?
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Question about Accuracy & Persuasion
by troubled inin my social psychology class, we are studying a chapter on persuasion.
here is an interesting excerpt from our study book, "social psychology: unraveling the mystery" by douglas kenrick, steven neuberg, and robert cialdini, page 171. please tell me if you think it applies to jws, ex-jws, and this board in general.. .
p. 170, "done deals".
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Lionel,
Do you think a "Logic" class would help a person learn these skills? The college where I am taking Sociology offers a Logic course too.
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Question about Accuracy & Persuasion
by troubled inin my social psychology class, we are studying a chapter on persuasion.
here is an interesting excerpt from our study book, "social psychology: unraveling the mystery" by douglas kenrick, steven neuberg, and robert cialdini, page 171. please tell me if you think it applies to jws, ex-jws, and this board in general.. .
p. 170, "done deals".
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sf,
What I want to do is understand the pros and cons of JWdom. I've been somewhat disappointed about some things with the Society. But not to the point of dropping out. Then, too, I've been curious about why the Society doesn't want us to go to sites like this. I think if it's the Truth, then other information we read won't matter because we'll be able to have and answer and verify that it's the Truth.
So I came here and started to see things I didn't know before about the Society (the UN/NGO thing, Swaggart thing, etc.). So now I'm reading them and checking into them to try to figure out what's the whole picture.
But while I'm checking things out, I'm seeing some conflicting things too, like the 2 different articles on mental health of Witnesses (one pro and one con). To me, that complicates matters and makes it not so easy to be unbiased and figure out 100% accurate info.
So, like my Sociology book says, do people tend to make a decision and then stick to info and people who will support it? And are JWs and ex-JWs both doing this? And if so, how can we be sure of accuracy of research? That's what I'm wondering.
Is that what you're asking?