Naru.... Be glad for her...it is a step toward getting out, and that is good. Rebellion from the conformity has to start somewhere, and for people like her, raised in the truth and having a controlling family, maybe the route she has taken is the one with the most motivation to escape the constriction of JW life. Yeah, it is a bummer that she is still clinging to her 'integrity' through her shunning of you, but give her time!
truman
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The Hypocrisy of JWs strikes again!
by NaruNaruChan inso i'm talking to an old mutual "worldly" friend of mine and my old jw best friend who's currently shunning me because i'm an unrepentant fornicator... (a fag) .
anyway, and he proceeds to tell me that she has been banging her boyfriend for quite some time now!
and she's in good standing with the cong.
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shooters? Drinking before meetings? Anyone?
by goofy inok, up to the last i would make sure and have a few drinks before i went to the meeting.
it helped me relax as i am very hypertense and up to the last was going crazy listenning as i truly believe the speakers were getting more boring than before.
i never did but thought it would be cool to sneak a shooter in your purse and down it in the restroom mid-way, but i can't drink hard liquor straight, so that didn't happen.
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I never personally had any experience with using alcohol to get through a meeting, though toward the end those anti-depressants helped some. But my son, who left a few months before I did, later told me that on at least one occasion, he attended the meeting definitely under the influence. We had the book study group in our home, and he was a good reader, so that often he would be asked to do the reading at the last minute, if the regular brother couldn't do it for some reason. On this particular evening, I guess he had stoked himself up for the night's theocratic ordeal by downing no small amount of hard liquor in his room earlier, a fact certainly unbeknownst to me at the time, and unsuspected. Anyway, there he was sauced to the gills, and the P.O. asks him to do the reading cold, since he had not even cracked the book before hand. Somehow, he managed to pull it off, and I never noticed a thing. He said he just tried to be very concentrated on it. Fortunately, no one was the wiser.
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Fresno/Modesto California area X Dubs, how about a sign in!
by NaruNaruChan ini'm doing so many sign ins, *lol* whatever.
^_^ anyway, c'mon guys, how about a sign in so we can get an aposta-fest going.
^_^
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NaruNaruChan, I tried to send you a message through the board, but I don't think it went through. Anyway, I still have some family 'in' and I don't want to get too specific with personal info on the open board, but the areas you mentioned are definitely close to home. Send me an email and I can be more specific. lostmyreligion2001@ yahoo.com
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Fresno/Modesto California area X Dubs, how about a sign in!
by NaruNaruChan ini'm doing so many sign ins, *lol* whatever.
^_^ anyway, c'mon guys, how about a sign in so we can get an aposta-fest going.
^_^
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I live not too far from Modesto...so let me know if you get anything going
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The Truman Show reminds me of being a JW
by sandy inhave you seen the truman show with jim carey?
if not rent it, it is a great movie.. the org created a world for us just like that in the movie.
what was true to jim carey is what they allowed him to see.
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Yes, The Truman Show became a sort of anthem to me as I was leaving. The most inspiring aspect of it was the manner in which the title character gradually gained the emotional strength to overcome the fears which had been implanted in him by those who wished to control him. He had to learn to trust his intuition and his own mind, instead of the disinformation which was served up to him pre-digested and tailored to keep him in bondage. He had to overcome the influence of well-meaning 'friends', who were in fact, also under manipulations of the controlling entity. It was a triumph of the human spirit to have a free mind, and it is a great movie too. truman
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Addressing mind control helps the person and helps them leave
by Introspection inin talking to those that go to the local xjw support group here, it occurred to me that when we address the mental/psychological aspect of witness indoctrination it kind of kills two birds with one stone.
i think this is especially helpful because you can talk about mind control without directly pointing a finger at the wts (of course there is a time for that too) - but it seems it would help you get the wheels turning first.
comparing this to the bombarding-them-with-facts-about-the-society approach, it seems a lot more subtle if not more effective.
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Hi Intro, All I have to say is...it sure worked for me! I was not in any particular turmoil over doctrinal issues, but when I discovered material online which described mind control techniques used by cult-like organizations to keep followers so bound up with guilt over never being good enough and fear of losing whatever opportunity they think they are in line for, I immediately realized that these were in operation in my own association with the WT. And in my case, the mind control material was not JW specific. Actually it was describing the parallel phenomenon with regard to Amway followers. I came across a list called "Things They Will Say", and in so many particulars, it was exactly like the social and organizational tools of manipulation which I had lived with for 27 years as a Witness. It was like a bolt of lightening to me, and I very quickly knew I would no longer allow myself to be exploited like that. Now, I did have to go through a period of sorting out the doctrinal and belief issues after that, but Ray Franz' books put the vast majority of those to rest, and time to decompress from JW thinking took care of the rest. truman
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Did you destroy your records/LPs/Tapes?
by RAYZORBLADE ini am just wondering.
for those of you who were jehovah's witnesses back in the late 70s and early 80s, did any of you ever destroy your records/lps or cassette tapes after one of those talks at an assembly about 'demonic music', 'backwards masking' and so on?
i remember i had some records destroyed, but i couldn't do it.
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I once threw away a Christmas album by Glen Campbell to show my theocratic loyalty. Ohhhh, the loss.
I knew a brother in the cong who when he became a JW, threw out all his Neil Diamond records, and refused to watch or listen to 'The Sound of Music' because it was about the immoral relationship between a young governess and her employer.
I always used to feel guilty if I was singing along with songs on the radio and the lyrics contained a mild expletive or a reference to God, like that song "Last Kiss" (Where, oh where can my baby be, she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good , so I can see my baby when I leave this world)
When my son was in his late teens, I made him get rid of some CDs which had the 'f' word on them, but now that we are both out, I have bought some albums from those same bands.
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Did Anyone Ever Like The Dramas?
by minimus inat the district convention, the highlight was always said to be the dramas.
did you really look forward to them?
was there one that ever stood out?
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Did I ever like the dramas? Well, 'like' is a relative term. In one way, yes, I enjoyed them, and looked forward to them. They were a bit of tolerable amusement in the midst of the endless tedium of the hours upon hours of indistinguisable talks from the platform.
On the other hand, they were trite, overblown, contrived examples of heavy-handed moralism. The production values were of a sort which would be laughed at if presented at a school play. The main reason the assembly attendees relish them is because,at least during the hour of their presentation, time passed a bit more quickly.
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What do you fear the most about the WT cult?
by Claudia Kittel inwhen i was a jw, i think what i was most afraid of was being hurt.
i did everything to keep myself from getting hurt.
i banged on doors with the best of the pioneers.
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Claudia,
I knew some JWs in Central California named Kittel. Do you by any chance have any connection to relatives in that region?
I know what you mean about being a doormat out of fear, both as a JW and as a wife. I have spent many years doing just that, until I figured out that the only way not to be a doormat any more was to pick myself up and say "no more". It was a hard lesson to learn, but thankfully I finally got the message life was trying to teach me.
truman
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Trigger Happy TV
by LDH indamn you brits!!!
this show (airs on comedy central) nearly has me needing depends.. any other fans here?.
lisa
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I recently ran across this show on Comedy Central, and immediately became hooked. It is a hilarious experiment in psychology. The question is, "What will people do when confronted with casual insanity?" The answer in most cases is "nothing". Totally absurd things are done either to or in front of unsuspecting persons, and, it seems as if their social programming just goes into "That does not compute" mode.
Example: What would most people do if they witnessed 2 dogs fighting? Probably not much, but they might try to break it up. But what if the 2 dogs are very obviously 2 humans dressed in dog suits, in which one comes up and beats the stuffing out of the other in a bar, on the street, or wherever, and then walks off leaving the loser lying motionless. Do the observers try to intervene? Do they rush to help the 'dog' lying on the ground? Do they look for a policeman to help...call 911? No, incredibly, they just go on with their activities as if no impossibly insane bit of drama has accurred under their noses.
I just laugh and laugh with this show.
truman