Posts by gingerbread

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Where were you? / How old were you?... during the Ray Franz witch trial?

by Zoos in

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i was 13yo and largely clueless to what was going on.

i think i remember hearing something about an apostate being weeded out of bethel but really couldn't have cared less.

i didn't start getting zealous until a couple of years later.. .

gingerbread

I was attending university.

We heard about Fred Franz's nephew getting kicked out of Bethel before the official KM 'announcement' was available.

Any time a group of people were gathered outside of an Alabama convention site, everyone would say they were part of the 'Franz apostate group'. Peter Gregerson's name would often come up when the 'adults' were discussing things later.

Some of these elders thought worse of Gregerson than Ray Franz. Perhaps because Peter had a lot of influence and 'power' (in their minds) in our area.

ginger

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Over 300 Partakers in Reno, Nevada! Men Women & Children 12 Years old,

by objectivetruth in

the governing body is powerful, but the holy spirit is infinitely more powerful.

if the wt ever changes, it will be because of a movement such as this.. .

but sanctify the christ as lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.

gingerbread

I just threw my bullsh!t flag across the living room.

objectivetruth needs to take off his fake C.T. Russell beard. I think he has a future reporting 'objective' stories on Fox News.

ginger

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136th Gilead Class Graduates-JW.Org

by Brother Mike in

i just found this video they released on their official website.

sorry if this was already posted.

(if not i thought some might have some thoughts about it).

gingerbread

The missionary program of years gone by is over. Certian couples from around the world apply and are accepted for Gilead school. When they 'graduate' they return to their home countries.

I think of this school as an intense programming session for people who have dedicate their lives to the Org. When they return to their homes, they can now confidently represent JW.org.

ginger

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CANDACE CONTI & THE NEW CONTRIBUTION DEMAND

by The Searcher in

when the org lost the candace conti case, the court ordered (pending the appeal) that the org would have to deposit several million$ as security.

the puzzling thing is, the org got a bond company to put up the millions, thereby incurring heavy interest charges.

i've always wondered, 'why?????????'.

gingerbread

In this particular case the WT lawyers tried to put the Patterson Educational complex up as surety. The California court accepted the argument (Conti's attorney) that real estate is too unstable to be considered a safe surety bond - and it was in New York and if there was a future issue about the appeal the laws in two different states could cause problems.

So, WT found a bonding company (in Chicago I think) that posted the surety - for the amount awarded in favor of Candace. The WT must pay a monthly fee to keep this bond.

I think that the WT knows that they are going to lose this case (among others around the world) and are going to have to pay up. The WT is preparing all JW's for the worst outcome - and outlay of millions of dollars.

Recall the recent WT warning about everyone being ready to do things that are not practical or 'strategic from a human standpoint'.

ginger

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Essay by Barbara Anderson: "What's in a Name?"

by AndersonsInfo in

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whats in a name?

posted on april 15, 2014 by barbara anderson http://watchtowerdocuments.org/whats-in-a-name/ .entry-meta-icons .entry-meta .

.entry-header one morning at bethel in 1989, after the usual text discussion before breakfast, there was an announcement to the staff about the legalization of jehovahs witnesses in poland.

gingerbread

Thank you for sharing your insights Barbara.

Always - - ginger

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This years Memorial talk outline

by gingerbread in

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perhaps i've missed seeing it.... can anyone provide a scan or link to the 2014 memorial talk and the following sunday's public 'special talk'?.

ginger.

gingerbread

Actually it was changed again last year.

I was wondering if it was adjusted since the 'new light' about the Faithful and Descreet Seven ...

ginger

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Memorial Attendance: The Single Most Impactful TTATT "Witness" to Family and Friends

by AMNESIANO in

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anyone who has awakened to ttatt and conscientiously left the organization--especially a once-prominent individual from a prominent multi-generational tribe of jws-- after decades of devout, high-profile "serve-us," who continues to put in an annual appearance at the memorial thoroughly subverts and undermines, by this one act, any hope s/he may entertain that his/her departure will stir family or former friends to question the whole watchtower bamboozle.

by this one concession s/he assigns him-/herself by every single jw to their handy and dimissive purgatory: the "spiritually-weak.".

nothing blasts a louder, clearer, and more deliberate message to the jws who personally knew you and those familiar with your jw bona fides that you are not merely "not making the meetings" or "spiritually-weak" but that there is a conscientious reason you have rejected the entire watchtower society life than choosing to forego what they know you know to be their one-and-only holy and sacred event of the year, the lord's evening meal.

gingerbread

Your patience is commendable AMNESIAN.

Hopefully it will work as well as it has for our family!

ginger

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Memorial Attendance: The Single Most Impactful TTATT "Witness" to Family and Friends

by AMNESIANO in

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friends

anyone who has awakened to ttatt and conscientiously left the organization--especially a once-prominent individual from a prominent multi-generational tribe of jws-- after decades of devout, high-profile "serve-us," who continues to put in an annual appearance at the memorial thoroughly subverts and undermines, by this one act, any hope s/he may entertain that his/her departure will stir family or former friends to question the whole watchtower bamboozle.

by this one concession s/he assigns him-/herself by every single jw to their handy and dimissive purgatory: the "spiritually-weak.".

nothing blasts a louder, clearer, and more deliberate message to the jws who personally knew you and those familiar with your jw bona fides that you are not merely "not making the meetings" or "spiritually-weak" but that there is a conscientious reason you have rejected the entire watchtower society life than choosing to forego what they know you know to be their one-and-only holy and sacred event of the year, the lord's evening meal.

gingerbread

AMNESIAN - will your own husband be attending the Memorial again this year?

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This years Memorial talk outline

by gingerbread in

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perhaps i've missed seeing it.... can anyone provide a scan or link to the 2014 memorial talk and the following sunday's public 'special talk'?.

ginger.

gingerbread

Bump.

Anyone ??

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Is it normal to feel you have betrayed your spouse when you learn TTATT?

by BU2B in

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i am trying to look at it from a believing mates perspective.

they married you as a jw expecting you to continue as one.

if you have kids, she enjoyed the stability of both spouses being united.. when you learn ttatt, you find out the wt is a dangerous mind control group and lies to its members and is hypocritical.

gingerbread

Once you accept the fact that the 'Governing Body' members are not being used by Jesus, are not anointed with a future as heavenly kings/judges and that the organizations beliefs are based on fallacious premises and distorted conjecture, you'll feel betrayed by the Watchtower Society.

You then realize that you no longer answer to them - you don't have to and you won't.

Your lives are in your hands. And that's a good thing!