Posts by gingerbread

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"They've made us debt FREE !!!"

by gingerbread in

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so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

only jehovah's organization!

isn't this wonderful !!!".

gingerbread

Also at last night's meeting - the elder that read the letter opened it up for any questions. The questions raised were about the actual contribution boxes - confusion about which boxes will remain and which were going away.

In conversation afterward some folks (who have brains that still think) expressed that they were just putting $'s into the local box - to cover expenses. One older brother said to me that he stopped putting money into the 'worldwide work' box a few years ago because it was probably being used for legal fees and victim hush money.

Now they realize that they have lost control of where their contributions will be applied.

One big SLUSH FUND ....

ginger

59

"They've made us debt FREE !!!"

by gingerbread in

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so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

only jehovah's organization!

isn't this wonderful !!!".

gingerbread

Yes - AnnOMaly.

Any congregation who had (earlier in the week) agreed to a 'resolution' to send a lump sum every month is now "on hold". The new letter states that each publisher in the congregation will get a 'survey' slip to fill out.

It just got personal - no longer a contribution as a congregation but a contribution from YOU the publisher. They want a $ commitment from each publisher.

ginger

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"I no longer want to be 'Bloodguilty'"

by stuckinarut2 in

i have been thinking of a simple one liner to use when challenged as to why i dont seem to be an "active / good" witness.... "i no longer wish to be considered as 'bloodguilty' thanks" and leave it at that.. if said in a dignified, (not in a smart arse way), then i think this may make people see that my desicion is a sound one based on logic and not emotion..... thoughts?.

gingerbread

Stop thinking like a good Jehovah's Witness.

You don't have to justify your non-activity or give any reason or excuse.

The first step to freedom is realizing that they only have power over you if you give your freedom to them.

ginger

39

Speculation on why now?

by Crazyguy in

in the last couple of years the org has gone money crazy, selling off over a billion dollars worth of property and now a new tithing program.

just wonder what every one thinks is the reason for all this now?.

gingerbread

The Watchtower leadership (not the Governing Body) is strengthening its financial position.

The Governing Body is strengthening its control position (of the individual members and the body of elders).

As an organization, they are doing everything possible to take ownership of the structure - down to the kids in the congregations.

The appointments or deletions of elders is now controlled by the circuit overseer. The branches now own all Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls. The branch (and headquarters) now controls each congregation's bank account.

I don't know what is in store for the future with the doctrinal issues - but I think it's going to be BIG. Big changes will cause divisions, doubts and anger in the publishers and elders. I also think the the Governing Body is going to create situations (and push loyalty issues) that will bring persecution upon the individual Witnesses.

ginger

59

"They've made us debt FREE !!!"

by gingerbread in

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friends

so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

only jehovah's organization!

isn't this wonderful !!!".

gingerbread

After the letter was read - and the comment was given about being 'free of payments' on the KH loan - yes, $200,000 is remaining on this single auditorium Hall that was built a few years ago - the applause erupted.

In the letter it specifically states that new Hall projects are needed in areas where "the costs of property and building materials is high". This new arrangement isn't targeted to build quick structures in developing parts of the world. (13,000 Kingdom Halls and 35 Assembly Halls) Perhaps the focus is to add investment properties to their real estate portfolio (real collateral).

The letter offers two options for the congregations - the BOE will present a resolution for a monthly payment OR a 'survey' of what each family will contribute monthly. After the letter was read the brother said that there was a change in that method (they had received a NEW letter of instructions on Wednesday). All congregations must take a survey - with each publisher/family committing to a monthly contribution.

ginger

59

"They've made us debt FREE !!!"

by gingerbread in

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friends

so proclaimed the brother that read the wt letter tonight that explained the new kingdom hall funding arrangement.. everyone in the hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the district convention.. he says 'what bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ???

only jehovah's organization!

isn't this wonderful !!!".

gingerbread

So proclaimed the brother that read the WT letter tonight that explained the new Kingdom Hall funding arrangement.

Everyone in the Hall claps .... well, like it was the last talk on the District Convention.

He says 'What bank would wipe out a debt of $200,000 ??? Only Jehovah's Organization! Isn't this wonderful !!!"

ginger

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Embarrassed by Aggressive Apostates

by ShempLives in

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xjw protests & videos.

.. i am disturbed by some of the more aggressive apostates posting videos on youtube,like "a jw memorial to remember" where a drunk man goes to a memorial and downs the whole glass of wine as a sort of protest.

this video and others like it received positive comments from aawa members.

gingerbread

I have family members and long time friends that are currently researching JW history and questioning their relationship with this organization. I'm afraid this sort of angry, ex-JW garbage on YouTube will close their minds to leaving and living.

Some people leave the Org. and focus their anger toward individuals who are still active members. This is counter-productive.

The internet can be used by the ex-JW 'disenfranchised' to find their 15 minutes in the limelight. It's personal and selfish.

Remember too that a lot of ex-Jehovah's Witnesses die every year - angry, disappointed, uneducated, narrow-minded and resentful. They were still locked into the JW mindset and never set themselves free....

ginger

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Feeling disloyal

by stirred but not shaken in

i've been visiting here for about a year or so, but didn't really feel compelled to participate other than reading the various posts that interested me.. there's been that uncomfortable feeling of being disloyal to god, the organization, many friends and relatives.. i've been associated since birth.

after 65 + years of service within this organization and actually enjoying that time, it troubled me to find myself wanting to express feelings that were contrary to all that time of "faithfulness".

those years were filled with progressive "privileges and responsibilities" even at a high level, and there was considerable success in our evangelizing activity.

gingerbread

Thank you for telling us a bit of your story. Courage!

The Gingerbread family mirrors yours. Watchtower lifers, 'good examples' and well known.

We see the process like being on a merry-go-round. After we stepped off we were 'dizzy' and sick to our 'stomachs'. We look back at our lifelong 'friends' and still feel a closeness; but it's just not the same.

After living a year in JW inactivity, I understand that everyone does indeed have free will. We can love and trust ourselves, enjoy each day for what it is and cherish each moment.

The real challenge is changing how we think.

Best - - ginger

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We are seeing JW history in the making

by suavojr in

with all the current changes and downsizing, the 1914 "anchor date" appears to be drifting out to sea.

yes, i know the gb is putting all of their chips on 1914 but if you stop and think about it for a moment.. we are seeing jw history in the making for the next jw generation of 2114.. first they teach a date as significant.second, when it becomes obsolete, they come up with a convoluted explanation of how it really was significant, just not in the way "some believers" once taught.third, it becomes a historical footnote, as in: "bible students at one time thought... but now we see... evidently... .

the next generation of jws (100 years from today) will be talking about 2014 as the year of great expectation, and how close the end is in 2114. yes, when jesus spoke about this generation evidently he was talking in a symbolic way, and he was truly referring to the generation class.. .

gingerbread

www.newsystemschool.org

Look it up.

ginger

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Millions Now Living Have Never Lived So Well

by Bob_NC in

that's right, millions now living are living during the best of times for humanity.

but aren't these critical times hard to deal with?

aren't these the last days of a dying wicked system of things.

gingerbread

This is one of the things that gets me going! SO many of the faithful complain, complain, complain about how hard life is during these 'last days'.

They complain that the convention hall is too hot or too cold, that the internet is evil, that all we hear about is bad news (because they're glued to CNN or Fox News 24/7), that their kids or grandkids aren't staying in the 'truth', that their aches and pains have become unbearable (they can't make the meetings or field service), they're broke or don't have any retirement (because the evil government has stolen their Social Security), they are so depressed that can't stop taking their Zoloft, Paxil, Cymbalta or Wellbutrin...

A real mess...