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  Markan priority and the synoptic gospels

  by 88JM in

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  this might be a question for leolaia, but i noticed in researching the gospel of mark this week that the dates the wtbts gives for the writing of the other synoptic gospels does not seem to agree with most new testament scholars.. the all scripture book gives the following dates:.

  matthew: writing completed: c. 41 c.e.mark: writing completed: c. 6065 c.e.luke: writing completed: c. 5658 c.e.this would put mark as the last of the three synoptic gospels to be written, and therefore the wtbts does not adhere to the markan priority hypothesis.. wikipedia states that: "the theory of markan priority is today accepted by the majority of new testament scholars".. .

  is there a good reason why the wtbts dates the synoptic gospels in that order?how can they date matthew and luke so early?is it merely because the wtbts rejects the possibility of a "q" source, and possibly even the idea of collusion between the writers altogether?or is it because many scholars put the writings of luke and matthew after the destruction of jerusalem, meaning the "prophecies" of destruction became historical accounts of past events by the time they were written?

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  88JM

  This might be a question for Leolaia, but I noticed in researching the gospel of Mark this week that the dates the WTBTS gives for the writing of the other synoptic gospels does not seem to agree with most New Testament scholars.

  The All Scripture book gives the following dates:

  • Matthew: Writing Completed: c. 41 C.E.
  • Mark: Writing Completed: c. 60–65 C.E.
  • Luke: Writing Completed: c. 56–58 C.E.

  This would put Mark as the last of the three synoptic gospels to be written, and therefore the WTBTS does not adhere to the Markan priority hypothesis.

  Wikipedia states that: "t he theory of Markan priority is today accepted by the majority of New Testament scholars".

  • Is there a good reason why the WTBTS dates the synoptic gospels in that order?

  • How can they date Matthew and Luke so early?

  • Is it merely because the WTBTS rejects the possibility of a "Q" source, and possibly even the idea of collusion between the writers altogether?

  • Or is it because many scholars put the writings of Luke and Matthew after the destruction of Jerusalem, meaning the "prophecies" of destruction became historical accounts of past events by the time they were written?
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  Ireland apologizes to women of Catholic laundries

  by designs in

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  the catholic laundries known as the magdelene laundries were where thousands of women were kept incarcerated as 'prostitutes' although very few actually were.

  most of the thousands of women were from broken homes and homeless.. ireland has conducted 5 formal investigations into these catholic run houses.

  these women were sentenced to these labor and boarding houses by the state and courts.

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  Yes that was my thought exactly, but I didn't want to make the comparison.
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  Ireland apologizes to women of Catholic laundries

  by designs in

  1. social
  2. current

  the catholic laundries known as the magdelene laundries were where thousands of women were kept incarcerated as 'prostitutes' although very few actually were.

  most of the thousands of women were from broken homes and homeless.. ireland has conducted 5 formal investigations into these catholic run houses.

  these women were sentenced to these labor and boarding houses by the state and courts.

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  In a radio interview, I heard one of the poor women mentioning despite her treatment not being as bad as many others, and only being there for a few months, she still needed years of counselling afterwards. It really made me think just how fragile we can all be, and never to underestimate the effects these situations can have long-term.
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  New Light needs batteries

  by Roberta804 in

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  well i think the borg crossed the line with many of the r&f.

  met a young woman at a class i take come to find out she and her husband are recent ex-jws.

  they were both born-ins and they felt the printing company is taking too many liberties and that many in the khs are not talking about it... just leaving.

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  I did hear that line about higher education at the School for Elders and Servants back in 2010. I've not heard it repeated or put in as strong terms since then. I think if you asked any elder outright what the proceedure is, they would say something like: "We would have to review his qualifications seriously" which is basically code for "we would remove him as an Elder/MS if his baptised kids went to university". I suspect you won't ever see that written down though, even in a BOE letter.
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  Help with part on service meeting.

  by msconcerned in

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  hello all i have the part in the yearbook and cannot find anything on the "smear campaign" and "media attack" on the witnesses in norway.

  any ideas?

  i have googled all kinds of inquiries and came up with nothin..

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  88JM

  Is it this one? But the newspaper campaign was in 2012?

  Down the page under the heading: "In the Norwegian media spotlight":

  http://jwsurvey.org/child-abuse-2/bo-juel-jensen-could-he-be-watchtowers-worst-nightmare
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  whats the title of....

  by grumblecakes in

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  the current book for the congregation bible study?

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  thanks a bunch!.

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  Isn't it funny how the GB have just about become the everything-class? The Jeremiah class, the John class, the Elijah class or whatever. If they can twist it enough, they will just apply everything in the whole bible to be about them. (They've basically done that already haven't they?)
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  Deteriorating content of the WT

  by His Excellency in

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  2. friends

  has anyone noticed the recent deterioration in the quality of wt's contents lately?..

  the spiritual food seems to be getting more and more shitty these days.

  i have given a thought to what could really be going wrong, and if it is likely that some on the wiriting committee is consciously dishing out those nonsense to facilitate more poeple seeing ttat.

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  It may indeed be shitty content and basic stuff repeated, but I find it absolutely hilarious that it hasn't stopped them from producing a Simplified Version™ of the Watchtower!

  I've never thought about it, but I guess one of the main reasons for producing a Simplified Version™ is that it makes people studying the "regular" version think they are stuying something deep and intellectual - it probably has very little to do with trying to cater for those with poor understanding.
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  Has anyone heard anything about Elders being a separate entity and WTS not helping them in court cases legally?

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  i just heard a rumor and trying to verify it.

  a current jw just told us that the elder's are now a separate entity and that when brought into court hearings and they try to use the 'clergy confidentiality clause' that the wtbt$ backs off and says the elders are their own separate entity.. anyone heard anything like this?.

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  I must say a lot of this had never occured to me before, especially the legal implications.

  I had seen the change about Regular Pioneers being appointed by the congregation rather than the branch, but I assumed it was just to delegate the paperwork involved. (Giving Branches less to do, now that they are closing them down)

  It also had never occured to me that this is the reason C.O.'s delegate just about everything to elders. If you have a problem with something, all they do is tell your elders. Again, I thought it was just laziness or protocol, but hadn't considered the legal implications.
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  April 2013 Our Kingdom Ministry and other files

  by Atlantis in

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  standing in for atlantis.

  i post as [vulcan] with my daughter [petra] who helps as typist.

  atlantis said that all of you would know about the download procedures.

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  Thank you so much for all your hard work guys - it's much appreciated. I hope everything is going ok for Atlantis? Computer problems can be such a pain.

  edit: Oh wow I can't believe they are still going to advertise the District Convention? Even with the memorial campaign being twice as long as usual? They are gonna piss people off even more than usual this year with all those invites being posted through people's doors.

  Anyone else notice in that memorial outline it says of the 144,000: "they are all Christians" but the same is not said of the rest? Are they saying that the great crowd etc. cannot even be described as Christians now?
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  I MADE A HUGE MISTAKE

  by iclone in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

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  88JM

  I thought this week was particularly bad too - you picked an especially bad night.

  Every week the stuff they come out with in the Jeremiah book that makes my blood boil. They read one tiny verse and make the most bizzare and elaborate interpretation of it. Then at the end, people think "ooh we're really studing the book of Jeremiah in detail".

  The service meeting just topped it all off. I mentioned the letter that was read here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/246066/1/Letter-30-hour-quota-to-be-extended-to-additional-months