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  Gay ex-Bethelite

  by Chip Williamson in

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  just now finding this web site and have enjoyed reading the comments.

  i've never written down my story and it could be a jerry springer episode but here goes.

  i was raised as a jehovah's witness from as early as i can remember.

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  Congrats on finding your way out and finding your happiness in life. What more could anyone in this world want than to see others happy and thriving?
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  A simple question among other things...

  by megaboy in

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  i would like to ask a question freely to anyone, just to get a feel for those i eccounter in life and be able to meet with them through empathy.. those who spent time with this organization, did you ever feel any sense of wisdom coming from it at all?

  when i mean wisdom i mean in a truly sensible manner not the illusion of it.. were there any teachings that would manifest in you respecting your self and your thoughts, as well as others, being able to detect reasonable behavior and detect teachings which promote moderate actions with others?

  anything to harvest justfying thoughts are behaviors with others?

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  Great question.

  When I was in I found most congregations to be warm and loving. I would travel around a lot as a youngster and visit many different halls. Only a time or two did the hall feel cold or unloving. I got to go to an international convention in Prague in 2006 (back when I was an uber dub) and it was a wonderful experience.

  I had many friend in the hall and would spend at least an hour after meetings talking and socializing, for me it was warm and loving.

  I never thought any of the information presented was particularly full of wisdom, certainly not wisdom from God, merely wisdom from man. What I mean by that is all the stuff in Proverbs and such is just human wisdom acquired by simply living life and observing how to and how not to treat others. I don't think anything in the bible is special knowledge or from god.

  However, from a personal standpoint regarding my overall feeling at meetings, one word comes to mind. Guilt. Okay two words; negativity.

  Very much harping on how bad the world is, how evil satan is, and how bad worldly people are. And as for the guilt. It was a serious dichotomy. On the one hand we were told to "do your best" "do as much as you can" etc...but then there was the "You must always be improving" "Keep reaching out" etc etc etc..... So even though you WERE in fact doing your best and being the best imperfect human you could be it was never enough. You were always brow beaten and made to feel worthless because you weren't doing enough.

  That's how I felt there anyway. It's also why I left. Thankfully I found jwfacts.com and came to learn the real truth about the organization and that has helped me alleviate my fears that I would die at Armegeddon. I am free now from slavery to the borg.
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  How did you feel when they eliminated the Con. Book Study?

  by Freeandclear in

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  years ago when i was "in" i loved the book study.

  it was my favorite meeting by far.

  mainly because it was a small group.

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  Years ago when I was "in" I loved the Book Study. It was my favorite meeting by far. Mainly because it was a small group. We were close knit and had a lot of fun at mine. The family that hosted always had snacks and refreshments after and everyone always stayed an hour or more after and socialized. It was a great time for me, and I honestly did more prep-ing for that meeting than any other.

  I can remember all the hub-bub about how near the end it would be our CBS group that would be so important to us all. That we would be like a small family and help each other, etc.....

  I found it to be the warmest of all the meetings.

  Then out of thin air they just up and vanished it. Gone. No real explanation at all other than to simplify things and to make it easier on us due to the pressures of the world, and to get a family study night started to strengthen the family. Well for me as a single male with no family in the Troof that didn't really do me any favors.

  Just curious here...how did YOU feel when they eliminated this meeting? Happy, sad, relieved, indifferent?

  Thanks.
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  Ladies: Circumcision or not?

  by Wonderment in

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  2. beliefs

  the topic of circumcision has been brought up a few times recently.

  then i wondered... .

  how do women really view circumcision?

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  I have a good friend who was 30 when he got circumcised. He did it for religious reasons. He is very very unhappy about it. We've talked at length about it and he assures me sex now is nothing like it was before. He hates that he ever had it done.

  Myself I am circumcised but they dr who did mine back in 1971 didn't cut it back all the way so I have about 1/3 of a foreskin, thus some of it covers my glans. I'm very happy about this. And has anyone heard of the frenulum? This is the spot where the foreskin would connect to the bottom underside of the penis just below the glans. This is the most sensitive spot on a mans...er...stuff. Some magazines and such even dub the frenulum as the male G-spot.

  Studies show that the foreskin as many many times more nerve endings than the glans. Thus when a foreskin is removed there go all those pleasurable nerve endings too.

  I feel bad for my friend..... I would never do this to a baby boy. Cruel. Any who doubt should do their own research.
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  What's the point?

  by punkofnice in

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  i mean, i don't want to be miserable or anything, but what's the bloody point of it all?.

  since i left the watchtower cult, i have come to realise that god cannot possibly exist...and if a god exists...god is indifferent to humankind as the least.. in 100 years time i'll be gone.

  kaput.

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  I think this is the best thread I've ever read here. I so much love talking about this stuff and hearing other's perspectives.

  Most of the comments made here about meaning in life mirror my own. Thanks to all of you for your thoughts and comments on this subject!
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  The Watchtower Org will die.

  by Freeandclear in

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  i was just reading through some posts and had a startling realization.. the comment that sparked this went something like this: why oh why when i started into this in 1989 did i not research the history of the wtbts?

  etc....... i too was studying and moving towards baptism around that same time.

  i got dunked in dec of 1990.. my thought.

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  Nice comments so far. Okay so perhaps I was a bit optimistic in my 10 years idea but definitely we see signs of the death rattle coming. It's dying for sure. Once the current die hards are gone I either see the total death of this religion or a complete transformation into something more socially acceptable all touted off as "new light" bit by bit over the coming decades. It has to change or it will die altogether. Kind of like an alcoholic with liver damage. Change or die.
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  Saturday Morning Vibes

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  its saturday morning here on the east coast of america.

  i haven't been out in service in probably getting close to two years.

  i wake up every saturday extremely happy and thankful im not getting up to go f-ck up my morning and my neighbors morning, not today, not ever again.

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  I get a feeling of freedom (from guilt and servitude) every time I drive by a KH.
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  The Watchtower Org will die.

  by Freeandclear in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just reading through some posts and had a startling realization.. the comment that sparked this went something like this: why oh why when i started into this in 1989 did i not research the history of the wtbts?

  etc....... i too was studying and moving towards baptism around that same time.

  i got dunked in dec of 1990.. my thought.

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  I was just reading through some posts and had a startling realization.

  The comment that sparked this went something like this: Why oh why when I started into this in 1989 did I not research the history of the WTBTS? etc......

  I too was studying and moving towards baptism around that same time. I got dunked in Dec of 1990.

  My thought. Back then I was very young 17 and very naive about life. Grew up wearing rose colored glasses and all that. Also back then there was no easy way to look into the Watchtower's past. NONE. And the brother studying with me had did his job by instilling in my the idea that Satan would oppose my study and try to get me to quit. So I already had my guard up. My grandmother did indeed try to convince me that the bOrg was a false prophet and that this was a cult. She gave me a book called Kingdom of the Cults which dealt with all the popular cults on the market. There was a whole section on JW's. I read it and refuted it and didn't believe any of it. Looking at that book now it was all there in black and white, along with my old notes and refutations.

  Anyway, my point: NOW we have the internet. We have so much technology that easily lets us check up on this sham of a religion with just a few clicks on their own publications. We have jwfacts and all the other websites that expose JW for what they really are.

  My thought is that within the next 10 years there will be very little growth in the WT bOrg. Only the very poorly educated, mentally deranged or challenged and those without internet will come in from the outside. And of course most of the "growth" will be in the form of witness children who are born in.

  Eventually this scam will die and to my mind the sooner the better.

  The problem with this cult or any for that matter is that they affect real people's lives. They play with your emotions and then change the rules by pulling the rug right out from under your feet. One day something is wrong the next it's fine. All authority and power are in a small group of men who know nothing about real life or real people. It makes me sick now to think I was ever so blinded and gullible.

  Good riddance.
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  Memorial 2016

  by Flg8ter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the memorial is on march 23 this year.

  but all the official jewish calendars has nissan 14 as april 22!

  april 22 is the start of passover!

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  Freeandclear

  As a DF'd fully awake x-j dub I'm thinking of going to my old hall this year for the memorial. I'm gonna dress in street clothes, (I have a beard), and partake just to see the faces. haha
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  So , how "worldly" did you get?

  by greenhornet in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i even hate to use that word worldly tm.. any way i'm probably the worst.. 1 when the jw s come to my door i say i'm not interested .

  2 i have gone to many churches and volunteered.. 3 i shredded all my jw books and magazines out in the woods.. 4 had the mormon elders over and studied with them.. 5 tried pot (its legal here).

  6 open carry my fire arm every where (legal here also).

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  Freeandclear

  Me? Well I have had lots and lots of sex. I chew, I cuss, I drink. I enjoy every minute of my life. I sleep in on weekends. And I have ZERO guilt. I follow my conscience and it is a good guide. I hurt no one, except maybe myself from time to time, but that's being human.