I had the same feeling as The Oracle....vomited in my mouth a little trying to look at it.
Can someone just post the stats...I trust you.
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2012 September Kingdom Ministry!
by Atlantis in2012 september kingdom ministry.click the link in the blue box by the blue arrow..http://www.sendspace.com/file/lonxue.or.click free and then download file in blue letters after clicking here..http://www.filebox.com/mrtcwj3whmyl.or scans:.pg.1.
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Change Scientology to JW's and it's pretty much the same.
by TweetieBird inhttp://tv.yahoo.com/news/did-scientologists-destroy-nicole-kidmans-relationship-kids-bella-191500211.html (sorry, have a mac and it won't let me make clickable)did scientologists destroy nicole kidman's relationship with kids bella, connor cruise?us weekly thu, jul 5, 2012 12:15 pm pdtemailprintrelated contentview photodid scientologists destroy nicole kidman's relationship with kids bella, connor cruise?.
it's been more than a decade since tom cruise and nicole kidman finalized their divorce -- but even as cruise's split withkatie holmes dominates headlines, kidman's estrangement from bella and connor, her kids with cruise, remains a source of curiosity for many.. and while geographical distance (kidman lives in australia and nashville, tenn., while bella, 19, and connor, 17, are in los angeles) and kidman's own growing family with second husband keith urban have been the unofficial explanations for the sad rift, several former members of the church of scientology claim something more sinister is at work.. photos: a look back at tom and nicole's marriage.
karen de la carriere, ex-wife of former scientology president heber jentzsch, tells the hollywood reporter: "by filing for sole custody of suri, [holmes is] making it very clear she's not going to let what happened with nicole kidman happen to her.
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http://tv.yahoo.com/news/did-scientologists-destroy-nicole-kidmans-relationship-kids-bella-191500211.html (sorry, have a mac and it won't let me make clickable)
Did Scientologists Destroy Nicole Kidman's Relationship With Kids Bella, Connor Cruise?
Us Weekly – Thu, Jul 5, 2012 12:15 PM PDT RELATED CONTENT
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Did Scientologists Destroy Nicole Kidman's Relationship With Kids Bella, Connor Cruise?
It's been more than a decade since Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman finalized their divorce -- but even as Cruise's split withKatie Holmes dominates headlines, Kidman's estrangement from Bella and Connor, her kids with Cruise, remains a source of curiosity for many.
And while geographical distance (Kidman lives in Australia and Nashville, Tenn., while Bella, 19, and Connor, 17, are in Los Angeles) and Kidman's own growing family with second husband Keith Urban have been the unofficial explanations for the sad rift, several former members of the Church of Scientology claim something more sinister is at work.
PHOTOS: A look back at Tom and Nicole's marriage
Karen De La Carriere, ex-wife of former Scientology president Heber Jentzsch, tells the Hollywood Reporter: "By filing for sole custody of Suri, [Holmes is] making it very clear she's not going to let what happened with Nicole Kidman happen to her." De La Carriere goes on to claim that members of the church deliberately turned Bella and Connor against their mom during and after the 45-year-old actress' 2001 split from Cruise, 50.
PHOTOS: How Nicole's face has changed
Former Scientologist leader Marty Rathbun adds to THR that members of the organization, including staffers who worked in the family's L.A. home, campaigned against Kidman in front of the kids. In fact, Rathbun claims he observed Tommy Davis, who heads the church's Celebrity Centre, feeding "false information" to young Bella and Connor. "Tommy told them over and over again their mother was a sociopath, and after a while they believed him," Rathbun claims. "They had daily sessions with Tommy. I was there. I saw it."
An anti-Scientology activist adds to the site that a helpless Kidman called him during the divorce for advice. "Nicole reached out to us because there was really no one else to go to," the source says. "It was very different back then, and she didn't have anyone to go to for help and answers."
PHOTOS: Tom Cruise's ageless face
"You're either in or out when it comes to Scientology," another expert tells THR. "That's why Katie is making custody such an issue in the divorce petition. If you're out, the way she seems to be, they want to cut you off from everyone, including your kids."
An attorney for the Church of Scientology told THR of the various detractors: "All of these people are excommunicated self-promoters who are sadly exploiting a private family matter for their own personal financial gain. . . . They cannot be believed given they have acquired no firsthand knowledge of the church for many years and have a record of making false and/or misleading statements about the church."
PHOTOS: Tom and Katie, the way they were
Kidman has not been photographed with Bella and Connor for several years.
"They live with Tom, which was their choice," Kidman (also mom to Sunday and Faith Urban) said of her older kids in a late 2010 interview. "I'd love them to live with us, but what can you do?"
In May, Bella told Australia's New Idea magazine: "I love my mom. She's my mom. She's great . . . I see her sometimes and I speak to her."
This article originally appeared on Usmagazine.com: Did Scientologists Destroy Nicole Kidman's Relationship With Kids Bella, Connor Cruise?
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TweetieBird
Welcome, looking forward to getting to you know you.
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What brought you here?
by leaving_quietly infolks here all have one thing in common: they are somehow associated with jws, either were one, are married to one, have a relative who is one, has a romantic interest in one, are are currently one.
perhaps you are not one, but something about jws bugs you enough to have found this forum, and read it and contribute to it.
what brought you here?
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1) I had supressed too many things for so long because I felt like I needed to "wait on Jehovah". My dad (who taught me "the truth" disassociated himself and put those seeds of doubt in my head. He told me that the day would come when the society would have to change the 1914 generation definition and that it was a house of dominos for them. After he died, his words came true which gave me my first aha moment.
2) Jesus said you would know his people by the love, I only saw unconditional love. The elders were more like the scribes and pharisees instead of loving shepherds.
3) Got disgusted with the number of pedophile issues and the victims being threatened with disfellowshipping if they said anything.
4) The shunning of disfellowshipped ones (especially those trying to come back) seemed barbaric.
5) The nail on the coffin for me was the UN issue.
6) More and more I felt like the governing body was edging Jesus out of the picture and placing obedience to them over Jehovah and Jesus.
I, too, innocently was looking for the JW website and stumbled upon a website talking about reform for the organization. I hesitantly looked at it not knowing if it was "apostate" or not and was relieved that I wasn't the only one that felt like there was something seriously wrong in the organization. It had a chapter of Ray Franz' forbidden book linked to it and I read it. Found myself ordering the book the next day and read it along with his other book and realized that the organization isn't/wasn't what I thought it was.
There were about a hundred other little things but these were the big ones.
Stick around, you will learn a lot on this board. Most posters are great people, not the evil apostates we've been warned about.
edited to add: elderelite hit it spot on...couldn't have said it better because I think ultimately we all start listening to the little voice inside of us.
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Have a new friend, turns out that she was recently DF'd
by TweetieBird ini live in an apartment community and several of us like to hang out at the pool and cook out.
this girl that i've known for a couple of months was talking with my husband and me the other day about sex and marriage.
she's going through a divorce and said that she doesn't believe in pre-marital sex.
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I live in an apartment community and several of us like to hang out at the pool and cook out. This girl that I've known for a couple of months was talking with my husband and me the other day about sex and marriage. She's going through a divorce and said that she doesn't believe in pre-marital sex. My husband asked her if it was a religious thing and she said yes but didn't want to say which religion cause she didn't want to give it a bad name. She was smoking and a little wasted at the time. I said "it doesn't start with JW by chance" and her mouth dropped open and asked how we knew.
She now thinks of me as her new BFF cause I understand what she's going through. She still believes it's the truth even tho she knows it's f**ked up. She has 3 kids that are strong witnesses and 1 that's not in anymore so wants to get reinstated to maintain the relationshipwith them, plus her mom, also a JW, is going through cancer for the 3rd time. Been married twice (both to JW's), the first one was an alcoholic and the the 2nd one is gay, but hasn't admitted it to himself yet. She suffers from tremendous guilt and asked me how I got over always feeling guilty. I told her that I stopped believing it was the truth and it was easy after that.
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Best diet for a Diabetic.
by Quarterback indr just told me that i inherited this health problem.
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has anyone had any success in winning over this desease?.
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I just finished reading the book, "Wheat Belly" by a Dr. William Davis. Very enlightening. He talks about diabetes in the book.
Basically, the food industry has corrupted the wheat grains and it is actually harmful to us even though we are encouraged to eat "whole grains". Food manufacturers add wheat flour to things you would never suspect because it stimulates appetite as well as raise our insulin levels.
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Candace Conti video on YouTube - let's send it viral!
by cedars ini've uploaded a video that discusses the dramatic jury verdict regarding the abuse suffered by candace conti, of which you are all aware.
if you're not yet familiar with the story for any reason, please check out my blog article on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/general-information/the-watchtower-punished-society-loses-legal-battle-over-child-abuse-case.
john hoyle suggested i get a youtube video out fairly quickly so that we can spread the message more effectively online.
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3,051 views on youtube so far.
Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ELBt4mA7sI
Make sure to view from youtube.
Sorry if this was already posted-didn't have time to read everyone's comments yet
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I actually loved field service
by gubberningbody inthat might seem odd, but it really suited my personality.
even before i became a jw i was annoying people with personal questions.
the thing is that it's sort of ok in normal land to do that as a cult member, but not as a "normal citizen".. .
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I don't think I ever enjoyed it, not one minute. I enjoyed getting home and hoping that Armaggedon would come that day because I had actually done something that I was suppose to. I enjoyed feeling that I was pleasing Jehovah by going out in service but I HATED knocking on doors.
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'How I Got Sucked Into A Cult
by Bangalore in'how i got sucked into a cult'.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9061694/how-igot-sucked-into-a-cult.html.
bangalore.
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Very interesting.
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A "brief" synopsis of my story
by Sheep2slaughter ini wanted to tell my story for sometime.
i've been a member of jwn for a few months and a lurker even longer.
here's my story.
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TweetieBird
Welcome to the board. Great advice already given. If I may add a suggestion, while you are fading I would spend extra quality time with your wife. If there is something that you both enjoy that would help you to be around non-JW's, try to get her involved in that. The more non-witness friends you have (as a couple) the easier it is to fade. Most JW's stay with it because of the social aspect, especially if you were raised in it.
There is also some great threads on getting your family out. One brother did it by means of the family study and asking questions. This would be a great opportunity for you to have a family study with your wife since you are "spirtually weak".
Good luck.
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