Posts by jw07

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Good time for R&F to preemptively question GB validity

by irondork in

with the new light in the july 15 watchtower, now might be the perfect time for rank and file members to question wether or not the big boys are who they say they are.

in light of the fact that the men who claim to be the sole channel of communication for all mankind could not even grasp their own identity for the last 100 years, wouldn't now be a good time to turn the tables on the elders who are so quick to drag a questioning dub to the back room and demand loyalty to the governing body?.

wouldn't now be a good time to put the july 15 watchtower in the middle of the table and ask to see the credentials on these men without fear of being suspected of apostacy?

jw07

It's a very DIFFICULT task to wake most up, even with ammunition like that. I hinted at the new light to a group of 5 of my 'friends' recently. Their responses were basically: yeah, we understand that change already, wasn't there ALREADY an a study issue some months ago on that teaching? The GB certainly know what they are doing! The light is getting even brighter!

The GB have a cult of personality surrounding them, even though the average JW cannot identify all of them by name or face. To them they are a bunch of very old, very wise men who are ALWAYS RIGHT.

If there was new light at the next convention that circumcision is once again required, most JW males who aren't already would run to the doctor the next day to get snipped up despite the pain and permanent alteration.

@Gayle:
I really don't see shunning / disfellowshipping being revised. Those are 2 of the 3 hooks dug into the back of every zealous JW to get them to remain loyal, the other is 'being killed at armaggedon'.

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How to identify Publishers who know TTATT

by His Excellency in

jw
friends

since coming to know ttatt, i have always wondered if there are others in the congregation who also share similar experience with me, are there pointers to identifying others who are also faking meeting attendance and fs activities..

jw07

Look out for dubs who are naturally curious and ask allot of questions, but stop just short of outright questioning WT doctrine out loud.

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Research Our Spiritual Heritage Only From OUR VIDEOS

by jw07 in

since last week jws have been presented with study material which slyly revises the history of the watchtower organization through omission and twisting of history.

among the tactics is clever wording to draw parallels between jw practices today and supposed true servants of god in the past in order to justify current policy.

for instance presenting as fact that there was a defined governing body operating in ancient times.. pa1: "during a milestone governing body meeting in jerusalem in 49 c.e., the disciple james said: symeon [peter] has related thoroughly how god for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.".

jw07

Since last week JWs have been presented with study material which slyly revises the history of the Watchtower organization through omission and twisting of history. Among the tactics is clever wording to draw parallels between JW practices today and supposed true servants of God in the past in order to justify current policy. For instance presenting as fact that there was a defined Governing Body operating in ancient times.

Pa1: " DURING a milestone governing body meeting in Jerusalem in 49 C.E., the disciple James said: “Symeon [Peter] has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name."

Please note that Witnesses will NEVER be directed to compare much of what they used to believe vs what is now believed.

Paragraph 17 struck me in the study article for today. Notice that witnesses aren't directed to do real digging to find the roots of the organisation and it's plethora of policy / doctrine changes throughout the years. They are instead directed to the heavily sanitized Faith in Action videos.

Par2: "Much more could be said about the true teachings we embrace, our experiences as God’s servants, and the spiritual and material blessings we enjoy. For decades, our Yearbooks have contained thrilling accounts of our activities in lands around the globe.Our history is recounted in the videos Faith in Action, Parts 1 and 2, and in such publications as Jehovah’s Witnesses—Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom. And our magazines often contain heartwarming first-person accounts about beloved fellow believers."

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So, Was It Just "Luck" Or Did "Jehovah" Intervene At Times For You?

by minimus in

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friends

i know witnesses believe that miracles were done away with other "gifts" after the apostles died but every so often they suggest god produced a miracle.. did you believe that jehovah god saved you out of a bad situation?

did you accept that god's angel help you out?.

jw07

If someone believes an apple tree will save them, bows down and prays to it, they will perceive anything good that befalls them thereafter as a result of worshipping that tree. It could have been a stone, it could have been Zeus, or Ra, or Osiris, or Ishtar, or Odin, or a peice of chocolate. It's just a matter of perception.

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Facebook Watchtower 'Support' Page

by jw07 in

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1. i'm thinking of creating a 'pro-jw' facebook page.

jw07

I really do believe it's possible if done very subtly.

@Dismissing servant:
The page may be run by Brother *Chen, from Africa, who sold his possessions and quit his job so that he could pioneer, if you get my drift.
*some names have been changed.

@besty:
That's exactly the way I'm thinking. If I can help 1 sheep out of 100 realise that it's going to the slaughterhouse then I'm all for it.

@never a jw: That sounds like an excellent strategy :-)

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Facebook Watchtower 'Support' Page

by jw07 in

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1. i'm thinking of creating a 'pro-jw' facebook page.

jw07

This may or may not have been done before:

1. I'm thinking of creating a 'pro-jw' Facebook page. I notice allot of my sleeping friends joining them and liking and posting the hell out of every sleazy, recited piece of Watchtower drivel posted.

2. I will post pro-jw information initially: comments from the text, study article info etc.
for a while…That is until it reaches around 3000 fans (ambitious I know).

3. Real objective: when the page reaches that amount of fans or greater I will systematically begin posting information that can wake people up or at least make them think. Starting with simple info like the amount of times the end was hyped, 1914, 1918, 1975, etc etc – BUT WE ARE STILL RIGHT! Breakdowns of points like the calculation to 607BCE so people can add it up for themselves and see the flaws. Links about cults and their methodology throughout the years. – BUT WE ARE NOT LIKE THEM! Who are the GB members (names, pictures etc), they changing to the FDS and making ‘food’ from the anointed irrelevant. The GB making the generation change and appointing their youngest member at 47 etc etc. It’s hard to explain, but hopefully it can be executed subtly and wake up at least a few hundred people.

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Inquiry on GB 2.0 member - Did they get married?

by bats in the belfry in

it's been a while since we heard about their engagement.

did they break it off?

did they get married?.

jw07

The sad part is that the average dub wouldn't know who that man is if we showed them the pic.

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Inquiry on GB 2.0 member - Did they get married?

by bats in the belfry in

it's been a while since we heard about their engagement.

did they break it off?

did they get married?.

jw07

If true, why even get married if you're going to 'go to heaven to rule as part of the 144,000' in the future? What, leave her behind so you can watch from the heavenly realm as someone else with a perfect body hits it mercilessly?

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