Thanks!
Anybody else find interesting sites for the rest of us to explore?
i'm always looking for interesting pages that have fresh, bold, and evidentiary facts on the dishonesty of watchtower minions.. why don't we use this topic to post any interesting pages you have found.. this one i now offer:.
financial honesty & integrity of jehovah's witnesses.
http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/newsreports/2016.html.
Thanks!
Anybody else find interesting sites for the rest of us to explore?
i'm always looking for interesting pages that have fresh, bold, and evidentiary facts on the dishonesty of watchtower minions.. why don't we use this topic to post any interesting pages you have found.. this one i now offer:.
financial honesty & integrity of jehovah's witnesses.
http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/newsreports/2016.html.
I'm always looking for interesting pages that have fresh, bold, and evidentiary facts on the dishonesty of Watchtower minions.
Why don't we use this Topic to post any interesting pages you have found.
This one I now offer:
FINANCIAL HONESTY & INTEGRITY OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/NewsReports/2016.html
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http://krqe.com/2014/05/08/family-of-man-with-brain-injury-fights-building-plan/
friends:.
doug mason needs no introductions here.
we all know him to be an excellent writer, such as: blondie, terry, jwfacts, barbara anderson and countless others on this board.. doug is asking for assistance on a new project he is working on to explain in terms easy to understand, the changes the watchtower now expects jehovah's witnesses and others to believe.. your expert knowledge on these subjects such as: 144,000, great crowd, order of special full time servants, and governing body would be greatly appreciated.
Knowing Doug, I'll bet he went off and found his answers already!
I don't (and haven't) read any of the magazines or books in decades. I mostly get my 'new' light from videos on YouTube.
i'm sorry that i do not get the time to visit this site very often, but when i do i find it a bit exciting to see what has happened since my last visit.
this post is really about two subjects, but i think that they connect so i will only do one introduction.. child abuse:.
it's almost march and i have not heard whether candace conti or the watchtower won her case before the california state appeal supreme court.
Well, Terry is now registered as TerryWalstrom.
So, I'm schizo!
i've been rummaging around on bart ehrman's blog and such and managed to distill six cogent views about.
the book of revelation, i thought i share for whatever it is worth.
1. parts of the book of revelation could scarcely be explained if it were written by jesus own disciple, john.
I view Ehrman as a breath of fresh air. He's sort of like Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. An honest man totally-out-of-place among cronies.
Arguably, until Ehrman, few Bible scholars or New Testament experts wrote best-selling books about the Bible.
I subscribe to his blog and I wish there had been something like this decades ago. But of course, it took Al Gore's invention of the Internet to make debunking possible in an international, highly visible way :)
i've been rummaging around on bart ehrman's blog and such and managed to distill six cogent views about.
the book of revelation, i thought i share for whatever it is worth.
1. parts of the book of revelation could scarcely be explained if it were written by jesus own disciple, john.
I've been rummaging around on Bart Ehrman's blog and such and managed to distill six cogent views about
the Book of Revelation, I thought I share for whatever it is worth. (ehrmanblog.org/)
1. Parts of the book of Revelation could scarcely be explained if it were written by Jesus’ own disciple, John.
The author, for example, occasionally mentions “the apostles,” but he never indicates that he is one of them (e.g., 21:14). Even more intriguingly, at one point of the narrative the prophet sees twenty-four elders around the throne of God (chap. 4). Most interpreters understand these figures to represent the twelve Jewish Patriarchs and the twelve apostles of Jesus (cf. 21:12, 14); among them, of course, would be the two sons of Zebedee. But the author gives no indication that he is seeing himself! It appears then that the book was written by some other Christian named John, a prophet who was known to several of the churches of Asia Minor.
2, On the basis of a detailed study of all such clues in the text, most investigators think that parts of the book were written during the sixties of the Common Era, soon after the persecution of the Christians under Nero. If one begins counting with Julius Caesar, Nero happens to have been the sixth ruler of Rome. He was also one of the author’s chief enemies. The book was evidently not completed, however, until some thirty years or so later, probably around 95 CE during the reign of Domitian.
3. The use of a pseudonym made particularly good sense for apocalypses of the “historical sketch” type. For by pretending to be someone living in the distant past, an author could “predict” the future with remarkable accuracy: he was, after all, living after the events that he “predicted”! A typical ploy, then, was to write in the name of a prophet from ancient times who revealed a number of events that were to take place. When the author then continued to predict what was soon to happen in his own day — the reader didn’t know when this was, of course, since the author claimed to be writing from the distant past — he was naturally granted the benefit of the doubt. That is to say, these “future” events (from the time of the reader) were just as certain to occur as those that had already happened. The prophet had been right about everything else; surely he was also right about what would come next!
Note: The first apocalypse known to use this ploy came to be included in the Hebrew Bible. It is the book of Daniel, allegedly written by the great wise man of the sixth century BCE during the days of the Babylonian captivity, but actually written, in the judgment of almost all critical scholars, sometime during the period of suffering associated with the Maccabean revolt, some 400 years later. No wonder “Daniel” could predict the rise of the Persians and the Greeks, and even more accurately detail events that were to transpire near the time of the Jewish uprising. The author of these “prophecies” lived after they had taken place.
4. The “great city” that ruled the world in John’s day was obviously Rome, commonly called the city “built on seven hills” (hence the beast’s seven heads). Thus this vision is about the city of Rome, which was supported by the Devil himself, a city that had corrupted the nations (the whore who fornicates with the kings of earth), that exploited the peoples of earth (she is bedecked in fine clothing and jewelry), and that persecuted the Christians (she is drunk with the blood of the martyrs). Why is she called Babylon? This symbol too is clear for those who know the Old Testament, where Babylon is portrayed as the archenemy of God, the city whose armies devastated Judah, leveled Jerusalem, and destroyed the Temple in 587 BCE. In Revelation, then, “Babylon” is a code name for the city opposed to God — Rome, God’s principal enemy. Like Babylon of old, Rome too will be destroyed (v. 16). Indeed, this is the point of much of the entire book. The enemy of the Christians, Rome of the first century, would soon be destroyed in a cataclysmic display of divine power.
5. My sense is that once the book was being read outside of the community in which it was written, the original interpretation of it came to be lost. (But I should also say that lots of early church fathers were not in favor of including it in the canon.)
6. Does anyone think the early Christians living in 95-105 AD could understand more than the general message? Less than 5% of the population in the first century was able to read and write. Nobody can remember half the imagery, time spans, vials/wrath and chronology after someone has read Revelation to them one time - Impossible. The illiterate Christian living in the first/second centuries could not have grasped and understood the chart data. This leads me to an important rule in biblical exegesis: The text cannot mean to us what it could NOT have meant to the original audience.
This is not a very popular rule. Eusebius (who was far more skeptical) cites Dionysius of Alexandria, from his work "On the Promises," as saying about the Revelation:who are the real heroes of society?.
are they not the people who are doctors and nurses and teachers and firemen and policemen and counselors and humanitarians?.
because of the watchtower organization, we are missing generations of those kinds of heroes who will not exist (but could have) because jehovah's witnesses destroyed them by convincing millions of it's members those professions are meaningless and unimportant for them to pursue.
What does it say about confidence in "Truth" that it is seemingly indefensible against an education?
What debate did Jesus ever shrink from? Did he not confound his highly educated elders in the Temple with his insight and wisdom?
The young JW I've been counseling for the last five months astonished me in saying, "I hate Science."
I was dumb-founded. I gently probed his reasoning on that, and it came down to something rather unexpected.
Science can't be out-argued so it must be hated instead.
I extrapolate that to higher education as well.
who are the real heroes of society?.
are they not the people who are doctors and nurses and teachers and firemen and policemen and counselors and humanitarians?.
because of the watchtower organization, we are missing generations of those kinds of heroes who will not exist (but could have) because jehovah's witnesses destroyed them by convincing millions of it's members those professions are meaningless and unimportant for them to pursue.
Who are the real heroes of society?
Are they not the people who are doctors and nurses and teachers and firemen and policemen and counselors and humanitarians?
Because of the Watchtower Organization, we are missing generations of those kinds of heroes who will NOT exist (but could have) because Jehovah's Witnesses destroyed them by convincing millions of it's members those professions are meaningless and unimportant for them to pursue. In effect, the GB strangles the surgeon and the scientist in the crib by destroying the dream of being more than an amateur salesman.
Generation after generation of productive human beings continue to be destroyed.
The horror of Jehovah's Organization is that it churns out deliberately ignorant people of no use to themselves, their families or mankind.
What is such a person capable of except Kamikaze ethics?
I accuse them of no longer being human!
On purpose.
of these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps.
1,000 died in prison and concentration camps.
another 1,000 of jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.".
Orphan Crow: Himmler's proposal to release the BS/Jws on just a handshake:
"In all these cases where prisoners are partially free and have been assigned to such work, we want to avoid written records and make such agreements with just a handshake".
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Which source is that O.C.? Kristen John-Stucke ?
did this quietly go away?.
details, please.
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The guy on this video is a bit of a clown, but you get the inside gist of what went on here.