Anders Anderson: Religious families in my opinion most often don't discuss ethics and morality. They'll simply inform the children which rules they must obey lest they burn in hell (or something less graphic but unfavorable and lethal all the same).
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I generalized.
I should have remembered a favorite quote: "No generalization is worth a damn--including this one." :)
Of course, individual families have different styles of teaching.
But I have noticed since I was a kid, Catholic boys are more polite (generally) and I chalked that up to religious training.
Finding a stillness of being and total tune-in is also related to basic temperament in the child.
Waaaaaay back in my day (1950's) a Golden child sat bolt upright with hands folded and mouth shut. Spoke when spoken to. We lined up and marched to the lunch room and out to recess.
In today's contexts--I imagine this would provoke a gasp of disapproval :)
The end result is never guaranteed even the best of upbringing strategies.
Thanks for sharing you disagreement, A.A.
TerryWalstrom
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How do you determine whether any religion is good or bad since...
by TerryWalstrom inso, yesterday whilst playing chess i had a discussion ranging widely topically in which my chess opponent asked me, "how do you determine whether any religion is good or bad since there is so much basic disagreement on interpretations of text?
"i replied this way:"does this particular god need to be treated like an adult, or as a spoiled child with a churlish temper?
that's a good place to start.
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Thanksgiving Dream List
by TerryWalstrom inthanksgiving dream list______.
1. i give thanks to mom, for the blond wig and dress when i was a child (pinch-hitting for the daughter i was meant to be).
it was a voyage of self-discovery for me to play cowboy, tarzan, and superman in drag in my neighborhood--completely unwitting to my astonishing spectacle presented to the neighbors!
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LUBY'S Thanksgiving lunch
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It's time to stand in line outside LUBY'S cafeteria.
Last year, the queue went on and on like a TED monologue.
Hours posted claim 11 a.m. for the doors to open.
In front of me is a little old blue-haired lady with a walker.
Behind me is a tall Barbie-doll look-alike with millions of $ worth of plastic surgery. I'd say she's about 90 years old.
LUBY'S management decide to open a half hour early.
I ask the Ass. Mgr., "Felt sorry for us out here?"
Ass. Mgr.: "If customers drive up and see a crowd ahead of them, they give-up and go home."
I take this as a "Nope."We shuffle our feet like convicts on a chain gang, stand in a slow-moving line with our tray and wrapped utensils.
The food array is colorful, festive, varied, and steaming hot!
Customers ahead of me are not quick to make choices--no sirree!
It's like they've been asked to select between styles of headstones and whether to go for the marble finish or the faux gloss composite.I move by increments of pyramid inches.
I've watched slugs cross a sidewalk faster than this!AT LAST!
I want the fried fish--but the guy ahead of me gets the last one.
I switch to fried chicken instead."Could I have cream gravy, please?"
A dollop is applied.
"Candied yams and dressing, please."I grab a coffee cup and pump the thermos.
We slide along the metal rack to the register, pay, search for a remaining seat near the window.I'm observing what appear to be shell-shocked seniors as they stare at their fork, overhear absolutely no conversations, and dab my mouth with the napkin now and then.
There's lots of meat on this chicken. (Vegans--don't read that last part.)
The side dishes are tasty. I quaff two cups of coffee and nibble on my cornbread.
The place is filling up fast.Finally, I grab my hat, flouncy red scarf and leave.
As I exit, I'm not surprised to see at least a hundred people in line outside and more soon to follow.
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Thanksgiving Dream List
by TerryWalstrom inthanksgiving dream list______.
1. i give thanks to mom, for the blond wig and dress when i was a child (pinch-hitting for the daughter i was meant to be).
it was a voyage of self-discovery for me to play cowboy, tarzan, and superman in drag in my neighborhood--completely unwitting to my astonishing spectacle presented to the neighbors!
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Thanksgiving Dream List
______1. I give THANKS to Mom, for the blond wig and dress when I was a child (pinch-hitting for the daughter I was meant to be). It was a voyage of self-discovery for me to play cowboy, Tarzan, and Superman in drag in my neighborhood--completely unwitting to my astonishing spectacle presented to the neighbors! Guess how surprised I was to discover how not cool that was!
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2. I give THANKS to Johnny Sauce, the elementary school bully, who tormented me non-stop until that fateful moment in the Boy's restroom (pushing me into the urinal and flushing it repeatedly) when I snapped, turned and smashed his bewildered face. From that moment forward, you couldn't have been nicer to me. I found my self-respect because of you.
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3. I give THANKS to my 7th grade English teacher who promised extra credit for learning and reciting poetry in class. My recitation of all 143 verses of Rime of the Ancient Mariner made me a superstar in the eyes of my classmates.
I found power in words worked wonders for me.
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4. I give THANKS to art teacher Aubrey Mayhew. You forced me to abandon my Business, Accounting, and Short Hand electives to transfer into Commercial Art classes. You gave me a glimpse of what my natural talents are and advised me toward a career in Art rather than a lockstep clerk in an office the rest of my life.
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5. I give THANKS to my 1st best friend, Johnny Santa Cruz, who turned my world upside down in every way. You modeled an outgoing, friendly temperament for me to study and imitate until I could fake it to make it my own. You taught me about the Bible and invited me into your religious organization and helped me hone my public speaking skills, study habits, and rebuttal talents. Neither of us knew it was a cult. Well, dammit--it IS A CULT.
You are dead now and remained faithful to the end despite all our conversations, debate, and exasperated heart to heart talks. You and I will always be best buddies even though you stopped talking to me. I understand. It's an F**KING shame is all I want to add.
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6. I give THANKS to my "Brothers" in Federal Prison who were closer and more dear to me than life itself. We were there out of conscience and trod willingly (we thought) a road paved with good intentions. Yes, we were useful tools--but our love was real. None of us kept in touch after parole, of course, we were swallowed up in the race to the End of the world.
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7. I give THANKS to Issac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, John Steinbeck, Mortimer J. Adler, Ayn Rand, T.E. Lawrence, Steve Allen, Orson Welles---my intellectual heroes growing up, inspiring me to develop talent and intellect and craft my writing and speech to thoughtful and precise and---entertaining and outrageous.
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8. I give THANKS to Dimitri Tiomkin, Maurice Jarre, John Barry, Elmer Bernstein, Miklos Rosza, Franz Waxman, Lalo Schifrin, Claus Ogerman, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Frank Sinatra, Matt Monro, Jerry Goldsmith, Ennio Morricone, for being the pilot light in my soul, the comfort for my many broken-hearted hours on Earth. You are my music heroes.
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9. I give THANKS to my children, Laura, Jason, Vanessa, Terry, Nicholas, Lillian, and Helena who are the only greatness I've ever truly experienced as beloved, cherished, and eternal souls forever bonded by love. The best part of life, the truest exemplification of the divine, and a never-ending wellspring of Hope for the future.
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10. I give THANKS to my Ex-JW Brothers and Sisters who've had the enormous courage to wipe the Watchtower off their ass and commence a New Life with a totally revise World View--from scratch.
To those who have posted here and read my scribbling for over a decade--I tip my hat, bow my head and say a self-prayer of sincere gratitude.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
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How do you determine whether any religion is good or bad since...
by TerryWalstrom inso, yesterday whilst playing chess i had a discussion ranging widely topically in which my chess opponent asked me, "how do you determine whether any religion is good or bad since there is so much basic disagreement on interpretations of text?
"i replied this way:"does this particular god need to be treated like an adult, or as a spoiled child with a churlish temper?
that's a good place to start.
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On the other hand, learning a routine, sitting quietly while adults talk, studying things together with your family, showing concern for others, discussing ethical behavior...those things modeled inside a family structure are rarely found outside of religion. Formative formatting of a child's conscience is better than none at all.
All that aside, the damn superstition, deliberate ignorance, and wishful thinking supplanting practical rational thing are terrible.
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How do you determine whether any religion is good or bad since...
by TerryWalstrom inso, yesterday whilst playing chess i had a discussion ranging widely topically in which my chess opponent asked me, "how do you determine whether any religion is good or bad since there is so much basic disagreement on interpretations of text?
"i replied this way:"does this particular god need to be treated like an adult, or as a spoiled child with a churlish temper?
that's a good place to start.
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That's a very tricky word: perfect.
In my mind (and perhaps the mind of most people) it suggests something practical rather than fuzzy and ethereal.
If you're selecting eating utensils for your meal, a fork is perfect for yummy morsels and worthless for soup. So, context!
A perfect God would, by definition, be unfailing in implementing a plan.
The God who builds a chair does not create one which breaks the first time it is sat upon!
And, as a side issue--God wouldn't build a chair which could "choose" to break or not--depending on whim.
God wouldn't be dissatisfied with a chair which supported his Divine ass ONLY BECAUSE it was made that way or demand it CHOOSE such support as a reasoned alternative.
The God(s) mankind begs for favors and labors to please have historically been real dicks!
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How do you determine whether any religion is good or bad since...
by TerryWalstrom inso, yesterday whilst playing chess i had a discussion ranging widely topically in which my chess opponent asked me, "how do you determine whether any religion is good or bad since there is so much basic disagreement on interpretations of text?
"i replied this way:"does this particular god need to be treated like an adult, or as a spoiled child with a churlish temper?
that's a good place to start.
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So, yesterday whilst playing chess I had a discussion ranging widely topically in which my chess opponent asked me, "How do you determine whether any religion is good or bad since there is so much basic disagreement on interpretations of text?"
I replied this way:
"Does this particular God need to be treated like an adult, or as a spoiled child with a churlish temper? That's a good place to start.
Is your God like a criminal taking hostages whose demands must be met--or--He'll start executing his hostages one by one? That's a good start.
Is this God thin-skinned, easily insulted, like a preening narcissist craving only high praise to the point you're forced to walk on egg shells? That's a good start.
In other words, what is there to inspire admiration making you want to become a better person? If that's not there--then you're not in fellowship with a Divine Being--just a Chief Executive unaccustomed to not having things His way or you're fired!"
My chess opponent listened and nodded and said, "That's a pretty high standard...for God."
I started laughing and couldn't stop.
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What are your favorite musical scores in film?
by LoveUniHateExams inhi guys!.
this thread is at least partly inspired by blondie's classical music thread.. i'm not particularly a musical person but i do appreciate good scores in film.. what are your favorites?.
here's a well-known movie score i like .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btdleusg9ew .
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This somehow got detached from my list (above)
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Is Education a waste of time for Married women? (This could easily be a JW video) :)
by TerryWalstrom inbesides being shocking to modern sensibilities, this snippet is a pretty accurate picture of the 1940's and 1950's american culture.besides the novelty of the debate, i think we should reflect on a startling fact: jehovah's witness women have made zero progress in all the passage of years from that point till now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5k-pirunby.
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Besides being shocking to modern sensibilities, this snippet is a pretty accurate picture of the 1940's and 1950's American culture.
Besides the novelty of the debate, I think we should reflect on a startling fact: Jehovah's Witness women have made ZERO progress in all the passage of years from that point till now.
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What are your favorite musical scores in film?
by LoveUniHateExams inhi guys!.
this thread is at least partly inspired by blondie's classical music thread.. i'm not particularly a musical person but i do appreciate good scores in film.. what are your favorites?.
here's a well-known movie score i like .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btdleusg9ew .
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Somewhere in Time was composed by my favorite film composer, John Barry.
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What are your favorite musical scores in film?
by LoveUniHateExams inhi guys!.
this thread is at least partly inspired by blondie's classical music thread.. i'm not particularly a musical person but i do appreciate good scores in film.. what are your favorites?.
here's a well-known movie score i like .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btdleusg9ew .
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Romance: (Richard Rodney Bennett) LADY CAROLINE LAMB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzwI7hGMTB0
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Biography: (Maurice Jarre) LAWRENCE of ARABIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb3pHOb5lUo______________
Historical : (Dimitri Tiomkin) THE ALAMO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uysTzWo3GXI______________
Religious: (Miklos Rosza) QUO VADIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-wq9izt7rQ_______________
Novel adapted for Screen: (Dimitri Tiomkin) LOST HORIZON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD148VfMJlo_______________
Cop Drama: (Lalo Schifrin) BULLITT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hurIhvGPUCc______________
Kooky Comedy: (John Barry) THE KNACK and How to Get it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjMfF4Rov6Y______________
Action Adventure Spy: (John Barry) On Her Majesty's Secret Service
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFaJWqVcv8k
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Best Movie Main Title sequence: (Elmer Bernstein) WALK ON THE WILD SIDEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI9Or8rE_Dc
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Western: (Alfred Newman) HOW THE WEST WAS WON______________
Science Fiction: (Dimitri Tiomkin) THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD (1951)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYxtBONusvA
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Civil War Movie: (Max Steiner) GONE WITH THE WIND
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzKCtkwmoI4&list=PLSO9Kihiwr3PrShPzv9LC1eBuF4OGpxqF&index=11______________
Philosophical Novel to Screen: (Max Steiner) THE FOUNTAINHEAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugKd-uMJOzE_____________
Fantasy Adventure: (Bernard Herrmann) THE SEVENTH VOYAGE of SINBAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZu621cODRw
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Horror: (Jerry Goldsmith) FINAL CONFLICT (The Omen 3)
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Action / Adventure: (Michael Kamen) HIGHLANDER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=674QlJQvPHo&list=PLjEpABm4Jgb_9hmItpbiPOX_kTj5ANhl1&index=13
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THRILLER (Jerry Goldsmith) SECONDS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbFaPkj_U8
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DISASTER FILM: (John Williams) THE TOWERING INFERNO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eog2cnqLlP8
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These sorts of lists are very much influenced by the decade you were born.
For my part, I was born in 1947 and I lived through the so-called Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, and Millennial age composers.This list reflects my mania for collecting movie soundtracks for over half a century.
Your mileage may vary :)