Posts by Wonka

when we are dealing with revelation how can anyone as wrong as the watchtower society be so dogmatic about doctrines when it's been shown jesus christ has not revealed the "secrets that would be hidden until the last days"?

for all i know, my opinion on this matter is as good as anyone elses opinion.

Wonka

Personally? I believe it is Elijah and Enoch . The only two people who did not see death. Elijha taken up by whirlwind or vehicle.

And Enoch was such a bad ass, YHWH just took him. But for me this makes sense.

But what do I know.. :)

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Conversation with my JW co-worker!

by Kool Jo in

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good day...so this is the conversation i had with a co-worker of mine i mentioned in an earlier thread...shes a jw and doesnt know that i was associated with the jws before and that im a fader.

Wonka

Joel Kool,

Hey bud, I'm in a similar situation. Or was, kind'a still am.. It's a long story..

But DON'T run! What an awesome opportunity you have to help this woman. And especially if you kind'a sort'a like her. But Phizzy is correct. Keep your feelings in check. ( Unlike my situation )

And it is an art. A skill I've been learning with the aid of some people on this forum and other sources. Thank you all very much!

You being in at one point with the Jdub's is a plus. You understand the mind set, you understand the teachings and you understand the constraints she's under. You also understand where you can poke hole's and plant seeds of doubt in her logic. But do so in love, kindness and be gentle. No need to be a sphincter about it. lol

Whatever bad taste you have in your mouth about the WT, shouldn't be directed at her. You know what I mean? And I know you know that. So be kind, gentle and use an approach that will let her see things on her own. But don't run away! Don't give up.

ruderedhead is correct. Use what you know to "witness" to this witness.

And I personally would reconsider knocking all religion. But I suppose if it means getting her out of the WT, all else is manageable later on.

Good luck. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

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With all the information /input thats been volunteered to this site , surely someone could produce a book tapping the wealth of information that is contained from contributors.

by smiddy in

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i am sure i am not alone in being overwhelmed at the knowledge,insight , and practical advice given on this board , surely someone somewhere can put this wealth of information ,condensced into a book that can help others out their .. smiddy.

Wonka

Agreed smiddy.. Make it so.

Seriously, I've met a couple of great people here that I value. The info I learned is heart breaking, yet very helpful and insightful. Oh and comical at times. = )

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Animals demonized

by free2beme in

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just wondering, do christians feel animals can be demonized?

i wonder, as i have some questions about demonized.

does the demon become the person, and send the person packing to some sort of waiting room?

Wonka

What about insects? I'm convinced cockroaches are little demons! I hate those damn things! Can you imagine a herd of roaches with demons inside? Holy Crap man! Can you imagine the horror they would do? I can, and I dont like it. Not one bit! Good night...

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Some advice please?

by Wonka in

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a friend of mine i'm in lust with, has been trying to convert / recruit me.

she's been very pleasant with me and very patient with me.

she hasn't been very pushy which i appreciate.. she's even said that if at anytime i'm getting smothered or feel this religion isn't my thing, to say so and she will stop asking about it.

Wonka

Iamallcool Thank you, I may do that. But I may start talking in a high pitched voice. That wouldn't turn anyone on.

Honeybucket I like that idea about pyramidology. If they mention it in this dvd set, I will definitely bring this up. Even if they don't I will still bring this up.

dazed but not confused I like your thinking. lol I think you may be right about her wanting someone to pull her out. She's said she's left the Org. once before and her life was a mess when she did. So she went back in wanting to do it G*d's way. I respect her for it of course, just wish I was around when she had left it before. = (

prologos That's what concerns me and why I'm confused. Giving me big hugs one minute, then doing her best to recruit then next. So frustrating it makes me want to punch a baby monkey!!

zed is dead Something is telling me to stick around and continue on this footing for as long as I can. Been praying about this allot. Even praying to Thor himself! Kidding..! I just need to let this play out. I've accepted this may go nowhere, but I want to see this to the end. Because I'm learning allot with this, and she may also learn a lesson.

NeverKnew Check your PM.

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Some advice please?

by Wonka in

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friends

a friend of mine i'm in lust with, has been trying to convert / recruit me.

she's been very pleasant with me and very patient with me.

she hasn't been very pushy which i appreciate.. she's even said that if at anytime i'm getting smothered or feel this religion isn't my thing, to say so and she will stop asking about it.

Wonka

A friend of mine I'm in lust with, has been trying to convert / recruit me. She's been very pleasant with me and very patient with me. She hasn't been very pushy which I appreciate.

She's even said that if at anytime I'm getting smothered or feel this religion isn't my thing, to say so and she will stop asking about it. But I get the impression once I say "it's not for me," she will bolt.

I've been asking question's that are what I would consider question's that would get her to think about some things on her own. Question's that would hopefully get her to rethink certain beliefs. But I know that's wishful thinking.

Tonight, she came "alone" to my home, which I thought was a no-no for a single JW woman, and gave me 3 DVDs.

1 ) Jehovah's Witness FAITH IN ACTION Part 1: Out of Darkness

2 ) Jehovah's Witness FAITH IN ACTION Part 2: Let the Light Shine

3 ) Jehovah's Witnesses Organized to share the Good News.

I've not watched them yet, but feel I owe her that much. Or do I ? I'm grounded in my beliefs and faith, and have also learned so much here from all of you.

I guess my question to you all is... Is there anything I could say that would make her think or question this religion? Or better stated; what are or were some major thing's within this faith that made some of you realize this wasn't for you?

I'm just confused... And don't want to loose what little we have. But have also accepted that this is all just wishful thinking that she will come out of this mind set.

Any advice? Tips? And please, feel free to slap me in the face as this could be helpful too.

Thanks..

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Question about this site

by free2beme in

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i have come to this site for almost a decade.

even though i do not stop by much anymore, i wonder why it has not been upgraded or changed to a more modern format.

it seems like it has basically just been left to what it was upgraded to several years ago.

Wonka

Do you take donations? As far as funds to help with new software or anything? Honestly I would donate. Truly an invaluable source of info here.

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Dating a JW info

by Lady Lee in

other than telling a person to run:what do you think a person (who knows nothing about the jws) needs to know if they are getting involved with a jw.what would be helpful to them to end things before they get further involved?what will help them if they decide to go further and marry this jw?what challenges would a non-jw woman have if she gets involved with the jw man?what about having children and the struggles that will develop from that?.

if you think of anything else that would be halpful please add it to the thread.

i would like to have a lot of this info in one thread besides some of the great "dating a jw" threads we already have in the best of section.

Wonka

Littlebigtown, That's what I'm doing here. I'll shut up and listen because this is an awesome thread! Thank you all so much. This has honestly been a support system for me over the past few days.