They said this in the past. Now the seven shepherds and eight dukes are KH elders. And even more special they are a "secret weapon". No one knows about them.
piztjw
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The "Assyrian", the "seven shepherds", the "eight dukes"
by bats in the belfry in.. .. .. .
will become whatever the wtbts needs them to become.. .. once upon a time they said this:.
1943 the watchtower, april 15, page 124.
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Three Comments & An Ass-Chewing
by piztjw inso, normally if i go to a meeting i sit and don't say a word through the entire ordeal.
however today i just could not keep my big mouth shut.. it was funny that i even got called on....three times none-the-less.
of course 99% of the sheeple just sat with blank looks on their mugs this morning.
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piztjw
So, normally if I go to a meeting I sit and don't say a word through the entire ordeal. However today I just could not keep my big mouth shut.
It was funny that I even got called on....THREE times none-the-less. Of course 99% of the sheeple just sat with blank looks on their mugs this morning. So the conductor was scraping the bottom of the barrel.
My three comments warranted a pretty caustic ass-chewing though after the meeting.
Here they are:
Par. 3 The fullfillment of Isa. 7: 14, 16 is often applied to Jesus. However the "slave" says it MUST have really applied to Isaiah's son because the kings of Syria and Israel were no longer a threat to Judah in the first century. It HAD to be in Isaiahs day because the Assyrians were still a world power.
Par. 11 Unlike the prophecy of Isaiah in par. 3 that the "slave" said depended on the Assyrians existing for fulfillment, the prophecy of Micah 5: 1, 2 could not have been fulfilled when the Assyrians existed. The "slave" says this prophecy MUST be fulfilled LONG after Jesus was born, and the Assyrians no longer were a world power. It could only be a modern day "Assyrian".
Par. 11 The four conclusions written in the WT can best be regarded against the question in par. 5, "...do I put my trust in GOD, or in men?"
I thought maybe someone was going to get some "holy" water and throw at me. But there were a few I noticed that seem to have a spark of light come into their eyes about the double-speak.
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Well my JW elder dad has lost his job...
by BU2B inas a little background, my dad became a jw in 1980 i think, went to bethel, married my mom in 86' went back for another year and then i came along... he worked in the auto repair shop at bethel while he was there, and upon leaving, continued working in this field.
my whole life they have been the type of jw parents that tell you how you will never get to high school, never graduate it, never get married in this system, never have children in this system etc.. i say this to illustrate the end is just around the corner attitude they have always had, probably because they fully bought/buy into the hype at the conventions/wt articles.
my father has no plan in place for retirement, and he is physically slowing down doing such hard laborious work.
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piztjw
Sounds like some of the piousneers in my town, and some of the eldurrs.
Or was it MANY of them?
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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?
by piztjw inso in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.
" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.
to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.
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Well my JW elder dad has lost his job...
by BU2B inas a little background, my dad became a jw in 1980 i think, went to bethel, married my mom in 86' went back for another year and then i came along... he worked in the auto repair shop at bethel while he was there, and upon leaving, continued working in this field.
my whole life they have been the type of jw parents that tell you how you will never get to high school, never graduate it, never get married in this system, never have children in this system etc.. i say this to illustrate the end is just around the corner attitude they have always had, probably because they fully bought/buy into the hype at the conventions/wt articles.
my father has no plan in place for retirement, and he is physically slowing down doing such hard laborious work.
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piztjw
"She would rather just continue with her pioneer lifestyle, hoping others take care of her needs"
Sounds like some of the piousneers in my town, and some of the eldurrs. They expected me to provide much "free" labor to keep them going, yet when I finally had enough and told them the "free" ride was over I suddenly was a sonuvabitch.
I may sound hard-hearted, but let them be like the birds of the field that God takes care of. They can get out and scratch and peck for food like the rest of us.
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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?
by piztjw inso in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.
" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.
to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.
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piztjw
Am I following you so far?
Yes, I am beginning to confuse myself It appears they say the "annointed" must all die before the GT, yet they "annointed" will still be alive after the GT starts.
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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?
by piztjw inso in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.
" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.
to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.
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piztjw
I respectfully disagree with those of you who do not think there is any contradiction for the following reasons.
See the pasted words from the WT 2007 with my reasoning in italics.
*** w07 1/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
The word “crown” gives further evidence that time passes between the initial sealing and the final one. Why? In ancient times, it was the custom to give a crown to the runner who won a race. To receive the crown, he had to do more than merely enter the race. He had to run all the way to the finish. Wouldn't running all the way to the finish imply that the runner actually finished the race? A literal runner could not win the crown etc. BEFORE completing the race. So the implication is that they (the "annointed") would HAVE to die before receiving the final, or second, sealing. I remember a WT article that made this basic claim, that their second sealing was actually their being brought to life in heaven.
Similarly, only if anointed Christians persevere all the way to the end of their course—from the initial sealing to the final one—will they be crowned with immortal life in heaven.—Matthew 10:22; James 1:12.
When will the remnant of anointed Christians who have initially been sealed receive their final sealing? Any still alive on earth will be sealed “in their foreheads” before the outbreak of the great tribulation. When the four winds of tribulation are unleashed, the WT from yesterday indicates that the winds will NOT be unleased before the final sealing of the "annointed" thus presumably saying they will all have died BEFORE the GT begins. WT 11/2013. . ."powerful angels are holding back the destructive winds of the GREAT TRIBULATION. What are they waiting for? One key event is described by the apostle John -- the FINAL SEALING of the annointed. . ." all of spiritual Israel will have been sealed in finality, even though a few will still be alive in the flesh and must yet finish their earthly course. So again, wouldn't they have to actually finished the race? They could not reasonably still be alive on earth when the GT starts. If they were they could not have finished the race.
The timeline in the 07/2013 WT was this: 1) Collecting weeds - from 1914 2) Gathering the wheat - since 1919 3) Weeping and Gnashing of teeth - DURING the GT 4) Pitched into the furnace during the final part of the GT, Armageddon. 5) Shining brightly - not on earth, but in heaven AFTER the battle of Armageddon. However their pictured timeline switches number 4 and 5 in the same article on page 11. Again their timeline contradicts itself.
Then in yesterdays WT it very plainly states, "Let us patiently wait for the proclamation of "Peace and security!" and for the final sealing of the chosen ones. Thereafter the four angels will let go of the destructive winds. . ."
So I still believe they (the writers of these articles) are contracdictory in what they write. They claim there will be annointed alive when the GT ending with Armageddon starts, they claim they won't be alive when the GT concluding with Armageddon starts, they make many predicitions about WHEN things will happen without any real clue, and then expect the R&F to follow their lead and "strain out the gnat, while gulping down the camel."
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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?
by piztjw inso in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.
" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.
to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.
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piztjw
*** w07 1/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
Similarly, only if anointed Christians persevere all the way to the end of their course—from the initial sealing to the final one—will they be crowned with immortal life in heaven.—Matthew 10:22; James 1:12.
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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?
by piztjw inso in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.
" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.
to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.
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piztjw
So in today's WT, as brought out in another thread, it is the NATIONS that make the declaration of "peace and security." Yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the Bible DOESN'T SAY.
In the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the GREAT TRIBULATION. To answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 Q/R which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the GB) ARE IN HEAVEN. Then, the angels will release the destructive winds of the Great Tribulation's destruction culminating with Armagedon. So from this we evidently (see what I did there?) can reasonably conclude (I did it again) that the "annointed", including the GB, will be raptured BEFORE the start of the Great Tribulation.
However, in the July 2013 nu-lite issue of the WT on page 11 the timeline says they, the "annointed" including the GB, will be shining brightly in heaven AFTER the completion of the GT but before Armagedon.
So which timeline is it?
The one in 2007? The one in 2013? Or the revised one from today? Do the GB and their hand-picked writers ever read what they say? Do they remember what they claimed less than six months ago? Do they REALLY think we are that stupid, forgetfull, or what?
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This will be fun. What is your generation count?
by Defianttruth inthe wbts teaches a overlapping (generation) will not pass away since 1914 right?.
what is your personal genealogy.
(1) my great grand father was born in 1901. he became active with the bible students around 1910. .
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piztjw
Hm...let's see
1 Great-great grandmother (Late 1800's)
2 Great grandmother (Baptized early 1900's)
3 Grandfather (Baptized 1920's)
4 Mother (Batized 1940's)
5 Me - for now. And several cousins (Born 1950's-60's)
6 Cousins children (Born 1980's)
7 Cousins grand children (Born early 2000's)
So by the best math and calculations available to man.....ONE GENERATION!
Sorry, I know you said since 1914, but I just couldn't resist.