Posts by Rattigan350

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What's you BIGGEST pet peeve/disagreement with the WT or GB?!?

by TeenageInsider in

for me its the district conventions.

not bragging in anyway, but i was born-into a family of 'higher ups' im talking co's and zo's..... and there is a room that they set up in the conventions/stadiums called the "chairmans office".

i always have access to these rooms, because im usually with one of my higher up family members who give talks and all that other crap.. anyways, while everyone in the convention is sitting in the sun, eating a slimy, soggy bolognia sandwich, the chairmans office is air conditioned, has a variety of chilled beverages, 'coke, pepsi, diet coke, gatorade, dasani water bottles,' not to mention the 'danishes, sandwich triangles, cookies, cakes, muffins, fresh coffee, and for lunch, pizza, salads, pastas, and lasagna'.

Rattigan350

I will start by listing pet peeves of this board: People are stuck in the childishness of calling names, i.e. Witchtower, dub, etc.

focusing on prophesies and people rather than the real problem.

Complaining about disfellowshipping when being with the people is nothing great anyway.

Complaining about rules when, if you don't go to the meetings, who is going to know what you do?

Now the peeves of the organization:

Too much focus on meeting attendance while at the meeting. When I am there, I don't need to be told to be there. Make the meetings so great that I will want to come back. But instead they beat people over the head with Bible quotes and directives.

Stating that going door to door and handing out literature is sacred service. It is an unpaid mail carrier. They want the masses to do the work to bring in the people. It is MLM. and in MLMs only the ones at the top, not doing the work benefit.

Stating that the meetings have spiritual food, when nothing is tailored to the individual and everything is dumbed down.

Calling things 'obedience to God' when the reality is to keep the organization together and cohesive, such as not associating with DFd ones and marrying only in the lord. And then such cohesiveness has the purpose of continuing the organzation, so that Bethel can make its money to pay its bills.

Saying that allowing 15 minutes in service for elderly or infirmed is a loving provision from Jehovah, when a loving provision would be to not worry about hours at all.

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where will you go away to? versus whom shall we go away to?

by soft+gentle in

this thread was sparked by punkofnice's thread and started a lively "discussion" in my mind about patriarchal power.

so i didn't want to derail punkofnice's thread or tec's subsequent one, but am interested in a discussion.. punkofnice's thread.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/245335/1/the-gb-are-gods-mouthpiece-rebuttal-to-elders .

Rattigan350

Question:

Whom shall we go away to?

Answer: Why does anyone have to go away to anyone or anywhere?

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The GB are god's mouthpiece. Rebuttal to elders?

by punkofnice in

i've read how many have been asked the question if they belive thae gb/f&d$ are jehovah's(tm) channel for communication.

this question to finally find out if they should be df or not (terms and conditions apply and are subject to favouritism or who your family are).. we all know too well that the gb arrogantly do claim to be god's channel in their pope like status.. however, when they are made to look like arses they suddenly become 'just imperfect men doing their best...where else will you go?'(r).

so when the elders come to hound individuals and ask the ultimate question of loyalty to the holy paedo ring known as the gb..... what answers have you heard given that was totally brilliant?.

Rattigan350

My reply would be "The only thing that matters and that I can rely on is my bank account, which is much smaller by following the FDS".

Or what if I say "I'm an agnostic and need proof if this God to start with".

It is just like drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality and what one feels is not real, and does not fix anything and when it wears of, one is back to reality. Relying on another dose or addiction for more. The meetings and the people are the same way. They want an escape from reality, the paradise and people are their escape. When they are away, they are in reality that they dont' like so they have to go back for more and feed their addiction to the unreality.

They are making people addicted to they they will keep coming back.

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New Member-Active Elder

by Promitheas in

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i'm a new member & i'd like to say hi to everyone, intoducing myself.. i am a 3rd generation born-in at mid 50's & an active elder.. english is not my mother language, so pls ignore any grammatical errors.

i live in a small country in europe.. i'd like to thank you for all information posted.

some of them have rally helped me to understand and examine again my beliefs.. last new light concerning f&ds=gb has verified the idea that they are popes in the position op pope.. i still believe in god & in his son jesus christ but not in the gb..

Rattigan350

You said "

I still believe in God & in his son Jesus Christ but not in the GB."

I find it hard to believe that Jehovah or Jesus is going to punish people for not obeying these 'theocratic directions" i.e. not turning in field service reports, saving seats, missing meetings, marrying not in the lord, but they are not doing anything about these natural disasters, shootings, and other major problems in the world.

It is modern day phariseeisms, Follow our rules in order to obey God.

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Still Waiting For the Governing Body To Explain Their New Light

by Cameron_Don in

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regarding the governing bodys new light relative to matthew 24:45-47, anointedjw.org recently said the following:.

this new light certainly poses a problem for the governing body.

perhaps this is another reason why they have not yet published a sober and scriptural xplanation of this new light.

Rattigan350

I'm not sure what your issue with this is. The Board of Directors - Governing body has always been the FDS. However they just were never so bold as to say that, so they, in the past, felt it safer to say that they were the representatives or moutpiece of the FDS. It has the same effect none the less. The reality is that there is no anointed other than the GB. None that matter. People throw around that word 'anointed' but it does not mean anything.

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Still Waiting For the Governing Body To Explain Their New Light

by Cameron_Don in

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regarding the governing bodys new light relative to matthew 24:45-47, anointedjw.org recently said the following:.

this new light certainly poses a problem for the governing body.

perhaps this is another reason why they have not yet published a sober and scriptural xplanation of this new light.

Rattigan350

daringhart said:

"If the Governing Body is the "faithful and discreet slave".........who exactly was that Slave until 1977 when the Governing Body was formed?"

The Governing body has been the board of directors of the WTS since 1919. The ones that went to prison in Atlanta.

Then in 1970 that was expanded beyond the BoD to be a separate entity but still on the BOD. Then in 2000 they resigned from the Bod to be an entirely separate entity from the corporation.

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As a JW, how did you feel about shunning?

by jwfacts in

i am interested in the answers for a new poll.

also, feel free to suggest other options, wording etc.agreed in full with the watchtower guidelinesagreed with shunning in general, but not for familywas stumbled by this practice but shunned as instructeddid not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people .

for me personally, i did not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people, even whilst at bethel.

Rattigan350

So many of the current Witnesses I wouldn't want to talk to anyway so it wouldn't make a difference.

Shunning family is a good thing - so many of my inlaws are DFd that I don't worry about hearing from them.

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Necessary family business

by stillin in

that seems almost redundant to me.

isn't all family business important and necessary?

having a meal with your grown, disfellowshipped child seems to me necessary part of having raised a decent, family-values sort of child.

Rattigan350

A CO at a needs of the circuit part in a circuit assembly stated that the Bible does not even give an allowance for "necessary family business" for associating with DFed family members. He said that the governing body made that concession because they have that authority from Jehovah.

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Birthdays & Christmas

by Rattigan350 in

what is the deal with people criticizing jws because they don't celebrate birthdays or christmas?.

it is as if when someone is born, from a baby, to a child, teen, adult; that one has a responsiblity to celebrate christmas (and i thought it was a free country); and others have a responsiblity to celebrate others' anniversary of one's birth.. i don't get the criticisms as if celebrating either is a great thing and the not celebrating is a bad thing.. data on star trek said that he does not understand why people celebrate their birthdays - a day one can not possibly remember.. what are you actually celebrating?

the fact that you made it another year?

Rattigan350

What is the deal with people criticizing JWs because they don't celebrate birthdays or Christmas?

It is as if when someone is born, from a baby, to a child, teen, adult; that one has a responsiblity to celebrate Christmas (and I thought it was a free country); and others have a responsiblity to celebrate others' anniversary of one's birth.

I don't get the criticisms as if celebrating either is a great thing and the not celebrating is a bad thing.

Data on Star Trek said that he does not understand why people celebrate their birthdays - a day one can not possibly remember.

What are you actually celebrating? The fact that you made it another year? Sure with all of the shooting and drunk driving and other deaths, surving another years is an accomplishment, but not an activity one would celebrate. Anniversaries are celebrated because half end up in divorce.

Doing a search on here for birthday gives 7730 results. Some are "Can anyone prove that birthday celebrations are forbidden by "
" Friend's Birthday Is Coming Up. Should I Say Happy ..." "What should I give to my girlfriend for her birthday next month? (1 ..." (Why giver her anything?),"My sons first real birthday celebration... - Jehovahs-Witness.Net"

So reading "In search of Christians freedom" has given no one freedom.

My response to either celebration is: Why bother.

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My mum says her grandchild will be killed by Jah...does he kill Millions of under 12 kids at Armagedon? God is LUV!

by Witness 007 in

talking with my anionted mum she tells me how worried she is that our lovely cute grandaughter/neice sarah, 9 months, will have her head cut off by jehovahs angel at armagedon.

{my sister is disfellowshiped and i'm inactive former pioneer/servant 10 years} this sickens me.

i told her how jah loves "even the embroy" of an unborn child.

Rattigan350

" ANIONTED Mum she tells me how worried she is "

So what?

Why do people worry about what others say?

Both you and your mom are wrong on this matter.

People have been living and dying for centuries, why are people so worried about ones now?