is it just me, or is it hard enough to support your family without the restrictions of north of 10 hours a week of required meetings and field service exacerbated by the requirements of circuit and district assemblies and auxillary pioneering at least once a year?
especialy in a tough economy, how dare the borg demand so much of our brothers, and chastise those that work overtime just to pay rent and put food on the table.
furthermore, wouldn't it be loving to direct the flock to plan for the future and obtain secular education to decrease eventual work hours and increase the compensation level?
Their interest is in themselves because they think that a bird in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush.
If they can get regular meeting goers to give $1, that is better than occasional meeting goers who make more that can afford to give $10, but don't go or care enough to give that.
God hasn't done anything or revealed anything in 2000 years.
Why does God allow wickedness or suffering has the lamest answers, such as universal sovereignty.
If a human saw something bad happen to another human or animal, and had the power to help, humans would do it. No thought of government or sovereignty. But God doesn't help people in need.
aguest, jehovah-jirah, lars58, rick fearon, finkle, or another scholars on jwn.
what reason does the governing body have for telling.
seven million jehovah's witnesses, "jesus is not your man dude!
sosoconfused :"I have always been under the imp[ression that the reason Christians pray in Jesus name is because he is our mediator."
Praying is a function of priests, not mediator. Prayers are likened to incense rising to God.
That is why we pray in Jesus' name. Because of his sacrifice he allows imperfect humans to be heard by his father Jehovah. I always liken it to humans praying sending the prayers to a satelite and that satelite descrambling the imperfect messages to Jehovah.
The new covenant is something that is totally unecessary and salvation and forgiveness can occur without it.
aguest, jehovah-jirah, lars58, rick fearon, finkle, or another scholars on jwn.
what reason does the governing body have for telling.
seven million jehovah's witnesses, "jesus is not your man dude!
Villagegirl, there are many numbers in revelation that are not symbolic and are literal.
Rev 1:4 says 7 congregation. There are 7 congregations listed. count them.
Rev 1:16 John sees 7 stars in Jesus' right hand. in vs 20 we are told "The seven stars mean [the] angels of the seven congregations, and the seven lampstands mean seven congregations."
15:7 four living creatures gave the seven angels seven golden bowls
There were 4 and 7 and 7. Literally of those things.
And the number 144,000 is literal as John wrote "I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand".
7 seals,
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aguest, jehovah-jirah, lars58, rick fearon, finkle, or another scholars on jwn.
what reason does the governing body have for telling.
seven million jehovah's witnesses, "jesus is not your man dude!
They are not denying anyone anything.
The only ones who need a mediator are the ones who are to have something mediated.
Mediator means: aperson who mediates , especiallybetween parties at variance.
Why does everyone need a mediator when everyone is not a party at variance?
That which Jesus mediates is not salvation but the new covenant. Eveyone is not part of that covenant.
Everyone can get salvation through Jesus though. Salvation is provided by Jesus' priesthood, not mediatorship.
distance from jehovah (not jesus).
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Be in law enforcement if carry a gun (many prison guards don’t carry guns
Carrying guns is said that it can lead to blood guilty if one is killed. But how can one be blood guilty for killing the guilty?
If a security guard killed Adam Lanza or the Aurora CO guy or any other shooter, that would not be blood guilty, that one would be a hero.
They praise ones who died in concentration camps. I'm not impressed. I am impressed by ones who killed Nazis. But then they say that those nazis could have studied, but how many Witnesses would have died by then.
i am well aware that this thread could diverge into a discussion of the legitimacy of the watchtowers view of heavenly class and earthly class and what not.
... but that's not the thrust of my question.
i just replied to a thread about going to memorial and started thinking how after jesus started out no one talked about actually doing it after the initial time.
I don't see why people find fault with the 'two class system', maybe because they don't understand what the anointing is about.
Saul and David were anointed by oil. That means they were chosen to be kings.
There were 2 classes. The king and the ones who were not king. There could only be one king but in the Christian system there are 144,000 kings and they are anointed by holy spirit to show they were chosen.
The Levites were priests and they were anointed by oil. There were 2 classes. The priests and non-priests. People then learned to deal with it, to get over it if they were not priests. In the Christian system there are 144,000 priests working under Christ as high priest. Today people need to learn to deal with it, to get over it if they are not priests. In the Christian system, those same do both jobs of kings and priests. But why would one want to be one, back then one got more scrutany than the general population, same today. Back then I would rather live a quiet life on the outskirts, the same today.
Larsinger: where do you get this idea
"After all, the Memorial is only to be kept until Christ returns! After he retuns, then it is not necessary to keep the Memorial of his absence! That has always been something witnesses were not able to answer, which is: IF CHRIST ARRIVED IN 1914, WHY ARE YOU STILL CELEBRATING THE MEMORIAL?"
i've read a few people mention making up the figures for the field service reports, and i want to find out how common it is.
i never lied on my report.
sometimes i'd round up 15 minutes if i'd mentioned jw stuff to my brother that month, but that wasn't falsifying.
Sure, I do that. I started as diligent, stop watch by the minute. First door I took until the last. Then I figured that I was being penalized if someone else got the first door and was in for a long time so I started counting at the first house the car took. Then there are so many that have the "call next to the Hall" to get their time started. It just seems so fake. But in my last year of pioneering, I didn't even add up all of the hours and was less than the 1000. I decided that it was not important. There was this group of sisters that would go out together and stop and break for hours.
With there so much talk about obedience, I decided what if one is disobedient and didn't turn in FS reports. So I stopped. When the CO came, the secretary said to me that he didn't have my reports but knew that I was out as he saw me. So I just made up numbers to give him. The next visit I did the same thing.
Many would say it is dishonest. But it is not like it is a time clock and we are getting paid. Back in the Day, time was important because pioneers got meal tickets and literature discounts, but now that is not there. What do pioneers and Aux's get? meetings with the CO?
Do people really think that Jehovah notices or cares? Think about it!!!!!! Jehovah pays attention and is going to punish people for exaggerating their hours on FS report but hurricanes and tornadoes destroy towns and people go around and shoot many, does Jehovah know or care or do anything about that?
star trek claimed to be fantasy and in fact, was fantasy.. wts claims to be the sole truth on earth and in fact, is fantasy.. star trek had spock who solved problems with logic.. wts has a gb who solves problems with bullshit.. star trek had a pompous ass charismatic leader whom everyone loved to watch rant and emote.
wts had three pompous ass charismatic leaders whom everyone hated to watch rant and emote.. captain kirk was always saving his people from new disasters.. wt leaders are always leading its people into new disasters.. star trek made money by always giving its fans the stuff they wanted.. wts makes money by always charging its fans for stuff neither they nor anyone else else wants.. people had fun when star trek came on.. people would rather have a root canal when meetings come on.. star trek was all about making the cosmos a better place for all.. wts is all about making the cosmos a better place for a few and killing everyone else.. people love to go to star trek conventions.. people would rather be in an earthquake than go to wts conventions.. star trek had a transporter room.. people in meetings wish they also had a transporter room.. star trek had lots of insane villains.. wts had judge rutherford and fred franz.
same thing.. star trek also had lots of good guys.. good guys are banished from the wts.. star trek had the klingons who spoke a bizarre language.. wts had fred franz who spoke an even more bizarre language.. star trek had all sorts of devices which could cure most any medical problems, but of course, they were science fiction.. wts had the electronic radio biola which it sold and said could cure most any medical problem, but of course, that was science fiction.. star trek had floppy disks, computers you could talk to and flat screen monitors all of which were about 50 years ahead-of-their time.. wts had vaccines which were called "filthy animal pus", humans hearts which were the seat of all emotions, organ transplants which were cannibalistic, human personalities which were also transferred with blood transfusions and black people turning white by reading their literature, all of which were 100 years behihd-their-time.. if you missed a few star trek episodes in a row, no one came by to harrass you.. if you miss a few meetings in a row, you are in deep shit.. star trek tv shows and movies are still played all the time, even after 47 years.. wts dramas never even play a second time.
Star Trek claimed to be fantasy and in fact, was fantasy.
Star Trek is real. It just has not happened yet.
when we see the massive layoff of bethel one could naturally ask which ones survived this brutal treatment by the governing body?
i'm sure ass kissers got a more favorable vote by the governing body to stay than the run of the mill hard valuable worker.. while all in the legal team got to stay as they are not required to kiss the governing body's ass(as much) but save it from lawsuits they are faced with.. what say you?
this a partial part of my opinion.. i wonder how much ass kissing, or ego stroking actually goes on once one becomes a member of the gb, i'm sure the ones the governing body keeps closest to them are their best ass kissers it goes along with the narcissistic personality disorder's territory in which he chooses to rome..
I wonder how much ass kissing, or ego stroking actually goes on once one becomes a member of the GB
It sounds like you are asking that when one becomes one of the GB, does that one do any ass kissing? Like the supreme court they are appointed for life for good behavior. It doesn't matter what they do .
