Posts by Rattigan350

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Jan 2014 WT study - more vomit

by EndofMysteries in

articles such at "100 years of kingdom rule" in which jehovah has 'in a sense' begun ruling as king, and jesus in a sense was made king.

even though the kingdom hasn't actually come.

it's not clear if the 1,000 year reign has began or not, if so only 900 years left of jesus rule?

Rattigan350

I wouldn't be too quick to criticize. Afterall 1914 is the only date that is known to be the one pointed to in the Bible as to what fulfills the prophesies. And that is a date that preceeded Russell. Because everything has not been done yet, is not any human's fault.

And to integ:

"Simply calling it the "Truth" is one of the biggest jokes I have ever heard.

"Truth" doesn't change. No humility...just blatant hypocrisy and outright deceit."

I agree that they have no humility. The articles are just self-praising history of the organization. But it is called the "truth" because that is the objective. It is unlike other religions where they put emotion above fact and what is in the Bible.

Don't confuse issues. The religion of JWs is the truth. The problem is that everything is all about the organization and honoring and praising the GB, to where the truth is not attractive.

And when writing about "this generation" it says: "Jesus was referring to two groups of anointed Christians."

They know that definitely?

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Things in the Bible that the JWs don't follow/practice.

by UBM101 in

i am pretty annoyed to read/hear them saying that they are the true christian religion because they preach, follow the bible bla..bla..bla... let's list down the things in the bible that they don't follow/do.

i'm sure they are plenty.. the fruits of the holy spirit, that's for a start.. .

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Rattigan350

"john 3:7 a chirstian is not a christian if they have not be born again."

I will have to disagree with you on that one. Being born again is not of human or your initiative. So if someone is not born again,

there is nothing that he/she can do about it. So stop judging.

and

"Don't pray to Jesus. He said "anything you ask ME in my name I will give it". John 14:14."

That is not prayer. If it is, then if you ask your boss for a raise, then you are praying to him?

Asking is not prayer.

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4 Letters from the Branch read tonight, no warning from this site

by James Jackson in

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tonight at our meeting we had 4 letters from "the branch" read at our meeting.

i was caught off guard since we usually have an advance warning when these letters are going to be read.

is the watchtower getting better at hiding these letters?.

Rattigan350

They read those letters last night.

What I was amazed at was that it said that the governing body would not set rules against the used of tablets on the platform and elders should not, as if they expect elders to set rules and they were heading them off.

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Heavenly Gates Closed in 1935 Re-opened in 2007

by Alfred in

since 1935, the watchtower had been categorically teaching (for over 6 decades) that the heavenly calling of the 144,000 anointed christians had ceased in 1935. this teaching was especially significant to older jws (especially those who spent much of their lives serving the watchtower as pioneers, elders, missionaries, bethelites, etc.

) because many of these would eventually turn their attention to the aging governing body members and feel a sense of relief knowing that the end was drawing ever so near.

in other words, as more governing body members (who were born before 1935) passed away, the closer they would get to their long-awaited reward of surviving armageddon and living on paradise earth where they would finally hug grass-eating lions near a waterfall while marveling at snow-peaked mountains in the distance.

Rattigan350

This is a very misleading teaching by the original poster.

They never taught that in 1935 the door to heaven closed. They taught that the general selection stopped, but yet a smaller choosing was happening.

That is like in the first century a general selection started, then after that a smaller selection started, then in the late 1800s a general selection started, then in the 1920s the selection decreased.

All that happened in 1935 was that Rutherford gave a talk at a convention interpreting events that already happened, namely that there are many coming in that were not feeling the anointing. If something could be called a closing of the gates, it was prior to 1935, even back in 1921 or 1923 when they identified the sheep and jonadabs.

2007 was not an abandonment of the closing of the gates in 1935, because the gates of heaven were closed in 1935 so they could not abandon something that did not happen.

And you need to remember that the statistic is Partakers, not Anointed. People partake because they want to believe that they have been anointed. That does not make it so. I tell you that those 11,000 are not anointed by any means.

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Prayers

by Rattigan350 in

when i read online forums about when someone dies or something bad happens, people comment saying "sending prayers".. i wonder, why, what for?

prayers have not brought anyone back from the dead.

have they healed anyone?

Rattigan350

When I read online forums about when someone dies or something bad happens, people comment saying "sending prayers".

I wonder, why, what for? Prayers have not brought anyone back from the dead. Have they healed anyone? Hard to say

whether it is the body or help beyond that.

I just feel so uncomfortable with prayer because it does not make sense.

Like when people pray before a meal. The concept is that Jesus prayed before giving out the fish to feed the multitude. That was a miracle. Miracles like that don't happen. Today it is like what Bart Simpson said "Why give thanks, I bought the food with my money".

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Question About 607BCE and How That Date Was Picked - Help JW Scholars

by Comatose in

so i've been sharing some a little at a time with my sister.

she is married and very scared of actually learning too much.

she doesn't want to ruin her marriage.

Rattigan350

Where did 607 come from? Say what? Nelson Barbour is the one that applied the 70 years from the restoration of Jerusalem to the destruction. 537-607.

Prior to that, the chronology scholars believed the destruction was in 586 and that the 7 times ending or gentile times was independent of the destruction of Jerusalem. Daniel looked to the seventy years because he knew when it started, when Daniel was taken captive in 607. The 70 years ran from 607-537, but they started at the first captivity, not the destruction. That is what the pre Barbour scholars believed, which I accept.

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Another Revised NWT Thread - subtly sowing seeds of doubt with chart

by mindnumbed in

pages 1744 thru 1746 feature a chart of the kings of the southern kingdom, ending with zedekiah in 607.. praise the new bible and all of the teaching aids .... draw attention to kings list and how convenient that is ... but, strangely, i decided to look up information in an encyclopedia about the different kings, and the dates are not the same ... so i checked a couple of sources and they are all different than the chart in the bible .... why would that be?.

Rattigan350

"So, it's not just 607 that the WTS is at odds with modern historians but the whole of the kings of Israel chronology. How do they get away with this? What sources do they use?"

Say what? This is not news. This is how they have calculated it since Nelson Barbour came up with the 70 years from Restoration of jerusalem to destruction. 537-607 for the destruction of Jerusalem and then worked back. There is a 20 difference between that and the 586ers. Russell took that then Rutherford and everyone since that time.

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Never Become Enraged with Jehovah (tomorrow's WT Study)....pure vomit

by raymond frantz in

never become enraged against jehovah.

(watchtower study 7-13 october).

paragraph 4.

Rattigan350

I didn't like this when it was a talk at the 2010 convention.

I don't understand why people defend God. Why does God need defending?

He has the power to fix things but does not.

Witnesses say that man's governments can't solve the problems, but at least man is trying.

God has the power but he is not trying.

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AGM Watchtower Study Recording

by julielw in

does anyone know where i can find a recording of this.

i found recordings of everthing else and need a copy of this one.

i found a youtube video but if i try to record it the quality is really poor..

Rattigan350

The Watchtower Summary was Loche's part.

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Paul belived paradise was heaven

by DS211 in

now i want all to add whatever they want to.

i was just reading the bible reading for tonights meeting and started 2 cor 12...and what i noticed was that paul here is revealing something, a revelation or vision of sorts, here it says (and its from the nwt for lurkers).

12 i have to boast.

Rattigan350

Why does it matter what Paul said?

He was not a prophet. He was a Jewish historian.

That is what turned me off to religion. It is all about, Paul said, Peter said, James, John, Jesus, etc.

They said something 2 thousand years ago. now what?