Posts by Rattigan350

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Your final WTF? Moment!

by restrangled in

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it was a long time coming for me.....when i read about the extened generations, after being raised on1914 being the be all end all, and millions would never die....that was the end.

i was part of the 1975 fiasco, the 6 month only truth book studies, suffered through a disifellowshipping and their version of a rewind.

i finally am free and hope others can eventually look in instead of inside looking out!

Rattigan350

My moments were when people rely on the WT for everything that they do, think and believe.

The 2007 KM about study only their materials, then the 4/2010 KM about audio files. It is not about helping people but about dependance on the GB.

Then I put together that they do everything for money - for example the constant deficits for the Circuit assemblies, the guilting of the people and what amounts to francise fees because of the donations of the WWW. Everything is designed to get people to the meetings, to be dependant on the arrangement, and then to donate.

I became inactive when I concluded that field service is a complete waste of time. Do a little door to door, stop at break, then do a few return visits. What a waste of time and resources.

The constant use of Bible characters as illustrations to where I got tired of the Bible.

Then the 5/15/2012 W where it said that if one gets married to an unbeliever that one is disobedient to Jehovah. What does it mean to marry only in the Lord, to them? The person would have to study either the Truth book, or Live Forever, or Knowledge or Bible Teach books. All books written by the Watchtower Society. And then get baptized at Watchtower arranged assemblies, and then go to their meetings. That spells cult.

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What JW catch phrase DRIVES YOU NUTS!!!!

by megaflower in

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"we should be mindful".

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Rattigan350

One thing that annoyed me at the meetings was when a child commented and messed up and then people laughed.

Wow, so much for the child's feelings...

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Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

.. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

instead of preaching and saving people??.

Rattigan350

I was in Atlanta yesterday and the road that runs along south of the Georgia Dome is closed and the lots on both sides are under construction. Martin Luther King Jr Blvd is closed at the Georgia Dome. I wonder if it will be done in time but it will cause problems with the many conventions because there won't be busses or traffic going through there to drop people off.

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No more free water for Brooklyn Assemby Hall since 2008

by Rattigan350 in

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1181065.html.

new york city gives religious buildings water exemptions if the building is entirely used for religious purposes and if there is a caretaker's apartment, there can be only one.

that assembly hall had 2. the water dept denied their application for exemption on that basis.

Rattigan350

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1181065.html

New York City gives religious buildings water exemptions if the building is entirely used for religious purposes and if there is a caretaker's apartment, there can be only one. That Assembly Hall had 2. The Water Dept denied their application for exemption on that basis. The Assembly Hall appealed the decision to the New York Highest court and they lost and were charged costs of the appeal.

Department of Environmental Protection Department of Environmental Protection

On June 15, 2005, the Executive Director denied the Church's appeal and confirmed DEP's determination. He opined that in order for an organization to qualify for an exemption,

“the premises must be used exclusively for a qualifying purpose, or if the premises is not used exclusively for a qualifying purpose, the non-qualifying portion must be separately metered. For this premises, neither condition is met as the meter records consumption on both the part that may qualify (the assembly hall) and the non-qualifying portion (the additional caretaker apartment and two guest rooms). A single room or a small apartment for a caretaker is considered incidental; accommodations for an additional caretaker and two additional guests are not a qualifying exempt use.”

He further advised the Church that it could pursue “the option of separately metering the water service to the non-exempt portion,” in which event “an exemption [might] then be applied for on the qualifying portion of the premises, and if granted, [would] be applied on a prospective basis only.”

- See more at: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1181065.html#sthash.wM1UPcS7.dpuf

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5 Reasons Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT happy in their Marriages jw.org

by Watchtower-Free in

found this on youtube.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wknttmfvhfi.

Rattigan350

Where was that 17 years ago? Me except for the married young part.

Was her top chosen on purpose?

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What is your biggest gripe with the WT and it's teachings?

by FL_Panthers in

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as the title says, please list what you find annoying with the organization..

Rattigan350

The belief and teaching that seeking the kingdom = Meetings and Field service and seeking first the kingdom = more Meetings and more Field service

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Has The WTS Reached Its Kobayashi Maru Moment?

by metatron in

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kobayashi_maru.

they observe decline.

they cut back most everywhere.

Rattigan350

In Star Trek, the Kobayashi Maru is the no-win scenario. The test changes depending on the decisions of the captain to make it more difficult.

But I look at the no-win scenario as always an either or choice. One can choose A or choose B but not have both A&B.

That was what Sunday's Watchtower 6/8 taught. It told of a ballerina who chose instead of the career to pioneer. They were teaching that if they choose pioneering that they would be happy, rather than performing. Either Or. But not both. But that is not Christianity. Full time service, meetings, etc.

I look at better examples such as Lou Whitaker, Chet Lemon who played for the Detroit Tiger and were Witnesses. They were not full time pioneers, but their example was that they were not troublemaker and stayed out of badness. That is more Christian than meetings and FS. They saved their money and retired when they wanted. The same with Larry Graham. They used their talents and did not just become of the many with no identity.

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Imitate the Faith of Moses Study Article

by Rattigan350 in

the study article imitate the faith of moses study article, is the same old blah that they always have.

moses, a guy who lived 4000 years ago, did.

something when he was 40 years old when he was in egypt and when he was in the wilderness at the burning bush, an angel communicated with him.. .

Rattigan350

The study article Imitate the Faith of Moses Study Article, is the same old blah that they always have. Moses, a guy who lived 4000 years ago, did

something when he was 40 years old when he was in Egypt and when he was in the wilderness at the burning bush, an angel communicated with him.

Our lives are not an event in 40 years, it is day to day.

Then there was a quote from a ballerina

“I realized that the world had given me success and the adoration of
fans in exchange for my wholehearted worship of Jehovah,” she says. “I prayed
fervently to him. Then I quit my dancing career.” How does she feel about her decision?
“I don’t miss my old life. Today, I am 100 percent happy. I pioneer with
my husband. We’re not famous, and we have very little materially. But we have
Jehovah, Bible students, and spiritual goals. I don’t have any regrets.”

Wow, it is always an either or situation. Worship of Jehovah or your dreams, you can't do both. That is because worship

as they explain is constant meetings and FS and assemblies and study, etc. Then she quit the career. They have very little materially

so I guess they can't contribute to the new arrangement. She can't even afford Obamacare. They must have searched long and hard to find this example.

Moses was a unique individual at a unique time and he had real backing for what he was to do, don't compare us to him.

Then the typical fantasy of the kid dreaming of talking to Moses in the resurrection. Nothing real.

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Reconciling animals and suffering

by Pacopoolio in

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we know that christians generally go through ridiculous mental voodoo to explain why a benevolent god allows human suffering, and none of it makes any sense, or is filled with bunk logic.

that's what happens when you try and retrofit a jewish "god is good and evil" religion into a benevolent religion.. .

one of the biggest "trips" to a jw/christian in continuing this line of thought is asking them why god would create animals simply to suffer and die, then, after they try to blame everything on adam (whose brain god supposedly created, and who put him into the exact situation that had an influence on that brain to cause him to sin).

Rattigan350

God's creation makes no sense.

God created Eve out of Adam's rib. That means that Adam had ribs before woman and the sin.

Ribs are for protection to the body. Why would a perfect person need protection to the body?

Couldn't it heal itself?

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Recordings of conventions and co talks

by GoUnion in

are the parts on conventions and the talks given at congregations at co's still under the orders not to be recorded by the members?

i seem to remember an announcement like this when i was in, but i paid very little mind to it.

after learning about some of the more outspoken talks given by co's over the years i was curious what their official reasonings were for these bans.. it seems clear to me though that the ban is simply to give themselves some sort of plausible deniabiltiy and allow the co's to go on their little rants.

Rattigan350

Anyone have recordings of the 2014 convention yet?

The reason that they don't want recordings circulated is that people will listen and then not attend and then

that disrupts their business model of getting people to walk by the contribution boxes and because of their reliance on

the arrangement, they contribute.

Remember everything is based on $$$$$$4