No, we are imperfect from conception.
Rattigan350
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Are we imperfect from birth?
by Pinku inare we imperfect from birth?.
there may be some scriptures that say we are imperfect from birth because of (fictitious) adams sin.
such verses make no sense like many other prima-facie meaningless verses such as joshua 10:13; isaiah 40:26; john 3:13;11:26 ........ however, there are scriptures that say we are capable of displaying perfection which is already within us.
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You can't play lotto, but you can accept a lottery ticket.
by JH in.
can someone explain to me why a witness can't go and buy a lottery ticket for himself, but can keep a ticket they find on the ground or keep a ticket they receive as a gift from a worldly person.. that's the explaination the witnesses gave me when i joined many years ago.. if it's a sin to play lotto, why can they accept a ticket as a gift or keep one they could find?.
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Rattigan350
That always bothered me about repeating the phrase of the god of good luck. What they did back then for luck is not the same as today. Just throwing out phrases because it is in the Bible. Not a good reason to avoid something.
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You can't play lotto, but you can accept a lottery ticket.
by JH in.
can someone explain to me why a witness can't go and buy a lottery ticket for himself, but can keep a ticket they find on the ground or keep a ticket they receive as a gift from a worldly person.. that's the explaination the witnesses gave me when i joined many years ago.. if it's a sin to play lotto, why can they accept a ticket as a gift or keep one they could find?.
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Rattigan350
Gumby said: "Why do witnesses go to the state fair or local carnival.....and pay $1 to see if they can knock down 3 bottle so they can maybe win a big stuffed teddy bear? They pay money for the CHANCE they might win. Most lose as do those who play the slot machines or buy a lottery ticket.....no difference.
You could get disfellowshipped for losing 20 bucks in a casino or buying lotto tickets, yet throw darts at the carnival with your elder buddy tryin to win a big teddy bear with a big beer in your hand, and no problem. Go figure."
That is because carnival games are based on skill. Throwing darts or balls is a skill, not a chance.
I don't see how and why any of that would be DFing offense. As long as the person is not irresponsbile or addicted. One can blow $20 or $50 anywhere, but why is it considered more bad to do so at a casino?
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A Sphere is Not a Circle
by AK - Jeff inthis thread was inspired by the poster here with that moniker.
that name, for the first time in my life, caused me to think deeply about the scriptural real meaning of the phrase used in isaiah, often used by biblical defenders to show it's inspiration by god.. i googled the phrase, and among other hits, found this little blogspace with comments that echoed my thought on the matter.. http://www.youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-really-think-a-sphere-is-a-circle-you-really-think-that/.
found it interesting.. jeff.
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Rattigan350
Sparky1, what do you find humorous about it?
Back then they only saw the sun and moon as circles, not spheres. They didn't have 3d. I don't think they had the capabilities to produces anything completely spherical, would they know what that is? A orange would be the closest thing they could find.
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How Did A Proven "Fake," "Phony" Arrangement ["governing body"] ...Become The "Faithful & Discreet Slave" Arrangement???
by Littleleslie inquestion:.
how did a proven "fake," "phony" arrangement [like "governing body" arrangement]...become the "faithful & discreet slave" arrangement???.
so then if it can be proven, the "governing body" term and arrangement is a farce, a fake, a made-up nonscriptural arrangement itself, (made up and concocted by nathan knorr & frederick franz in 1944) then how can this fake arrangement now suddenly become the "faithful & discreet slave" that jesus spoke of?
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Rattigan350
I stopped caring about that because they and everyone above them stopped caring.
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A Sphere is Not a Circle
by AK - Jeff inthis thread was inspired by the poster here with that moniker.
that name, for the first time in my life, caused me to think deeply about the scriptural real meaning of the phrase used in isaiah, often used by biblical defenders to show it's inspiration by god.. i googled the phrase, and among other hits, found this little blogspace with comments that echoed my thought on the matter.. http://www.youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-really-think-a-sphere-is-a-circle-you-really-think-that/.
found it interesting.. jeff.
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Rattigan350
A Sphere is a circle + another + another. It is 360 degrees of circles.
Isaiah and Job were right about their statements of the earth being a circle and a sphere and hanging upon nothing.
Isaiah was directly inspired of Jehovah. Job was just a guy who was speaking to other people and had no inspiration.
I believe that back then they believed in the truth of the matter in that the earth was not square or a cube but it was a sphere; but false religion changed that.
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If the Governing Body Told You They Love You All Very Much, What Would Your Reply Be?
by steve2 inin a letter in the 2013 yearbook of jehovah's witnesses, the governing body sign off with the words, "we love you all very much".
these words were later echoed by one of the governing body in an address to french jehovah's witnesses in july this year.
these words sound so marvellously compelling and heartfelt - goosebump inducing, even.. imagine the governing body wrote these words to you or expressed them to you in person- yes to you reading these very words.
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Rattigan350
Perry said: "Can you show me just one scripture in the new testament that describes how a person can get their sins forgiven outside of the new covenant"
Scripture is not needed. Sins are not forgiven through covenants. They are forgiven through the sacrifice and priestly acts.
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Where was the dead body of Jesus? Did the disciples disappear it?
by opusdei1972 ini am currently an skeptic, but i have to admit that i can't assure that all the stuff of early christianity was false.. for instance, we know that the genuine letters of paul were written before the destruction of jerusalem.
so, paul affirmed that jesus resurrected, though he was not there when it supposedly happened.
but, if jesus did not resurrect, why didn't the jews expose this falsehood?.
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Rattigan350
Just search for the answer on jw.org. Afterall there is a worldwide campaign saying it has the answers.
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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Rattigan350
Of course I can defend the teachings since they are bible based. I just don't care to do so as I am so tired of the Bible.
Why does everything have to follow the first century model? What made them right?
The bible is about this person said this or that or did something and we are forever using it as an example.
Boring!!!
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What would you do if JW's lifted the shunning policy?
by bsand20 inhave you guys asked yourself that question?
what if the gb decided that "new light" revealed to them that disfellowshipping was wrong and they would do away with it for current dfd members as well...... .......16 years of my life.
would i welcome my family back?
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Rattigan350
I would shun the JWs as there is no value in them.