I don't believe that Romans 13 and superior Authorities is a flip flop. In Russell's day, they felt like all the other churches on the subject. They weren't applying neutrality and the governments were above God. They were at one extreme. Then in Rutherford's day at World War I, he said they were Jehovah God and Jesus Christ to go to the other extreme to cause people to avoid any association with the government. Then Knorr brought it to the middle by eliminating both extremes. It's the governments, but they don't rule you above God.
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Bro. Geoff in September 2018 Broadcast vs Serena Williams
by NeedToKnow inthe september broadcast opens up with a story of 80 yr old brother geoff who gave up been in a band all them years ago.
fast forward to 2018 and we have a world renown tennis player and jw as far as we’re told.. so where some are encouraged to leave the world and it’s futile pursuits of fame and fortune, others are not.
or even punished for their behaviour on court or for been photographed with their country’s flag where others have been executed for refusing to salute flags.
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FedUpJW:
Are you saying that forcing someone to salute the flag is respecting the flag yourself/themselves? That is what brought about the Minersville vs West Virginia case where the Supreme Court struck down laws requiring any flag salute. Forced allegiance is what Hitler did and is no allegiance at all. JWs respect the flag more than others by following what it stands for, freedom.
As far as breaking fingers and shoving things, they tried that with Billy Jack too.
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Bro. Geoff in September 2018 Broadcast vs Serena Williams
by NeedToKnow inthe september broadcast opens up with a story of 80 yr old brother geoff who gave up been in a band all them years ago.
fast forward to 2018 and we have a world renown tennis player and jw as far as we’re told.. so where some are encouraged to leave the world and it’s futile pursuits of fame and fortune, others are not.
or even punished for their behaviour on court or for been photographed with their country’s flag where others have been executed for refusing to salute flags.
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Concerning the broadcast with brother Goff. He said the mob wanted him to salute the flag.
I would have saluted... with my middle finger.
God bless America.
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Watchtower disputes $200K tax bill from Newburgh
by Rattigan350 inhttp://www.recordonline.com/news/20180904/watchtower-disputes-200k-tax-bill-from-newburgh.
town of newburgh — the watchtower bible and tract society of new york is challenging nearly $200,000 in fire and other special district taxes assessed for three town of newburgh properties, including two hotels the organization bought to house volunteers helping build its world headquarters in warwick.. in a petition filed in orange county court last month, the umbrella organization for jehovah’s witnesses claimed that the town “either unintentionally as a mistake or intentionally and without lawful authority” miscoded the former hilton on crossroads court and the former hampton inn on route 300 for 2016, 2017 and this year.. with a combined market value of nearly $23 million, the hotel properties were not assessed town, county and school taxes for those years.
but the town assessed $196,000 charges for the orange lake fire district and lighting and water districts during those years.. newburgh also assessed $1,600 in special district taxes over three years for a vacant commercial property watchtower owns at route 17k and route 300.. “petitioner would not be required to pay the resulting unjust charges if its exemption from taxes had been justly, correctly, and lawfully granted and administered,” watchtower’s attorneys wrote in the organization’s petition in county court.. watchtower bought the two hotel properties in 2014 as it built its 1.6 million-square-foot headquarters on kings drive in warwick.
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http://www.recordonline.com/news/20180904/watchtower-disputes-200k-tax-bill-from-newburgh
TOWN OF NEWBURGH — The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York is challenging nearly $200,000 in fire and other special district taxes assessed for three Town of Newburgh properties, including two hotels the organization bought to house volunteers helping build its world headquarters in Warwick.
In a petition filed in Orange County Court last month, the umbrella organization for Jehovah’s Witnesses claimed that the town “either unintentionally as a mistake or intentionally and without lawful authority” miscoded the former Hilton on Crossroads Court and the former Hampton Inn on Route 300 for 2016, 2017 and this year.
With a combined market value of nearly $23 million, the hotel properties were not assessed town, county and school taxes for those years. But the town assessed $196,000 charges for the Orange Lake Fire District and lighting and water districts during those years.
Newburgh also assessed $1,600 in special district taxes over three years for a vacant commercial property Watchtower owns at Route 17K and Route 300.
“Petitioner would not be required to pay the resulting unjust charges if its exemption from taxes had been justly, correctly, and lawfully granted and administered,” Watchtower’s attorneys wrote in the organization’s petition in county court.
Watchtower bought the two hotel properties in 2014 as it built its 1.6 million-square-foot headquarters on Kings Drive in Warwick. Market value for the Route 300 hotel property is $7,378,500 and for the Crossroads Court hotel $15,435,300, according to county property records.
The organization applied for exemption under a section of state real property tax law covering property used “exclusively for religious, charitable, hospital, educational, or moral or mental improvement of men, women or children purposes.”
Instead, the town gave the organization an exemption under a different section of state law covering property owned by a religious organization but used for residential purposes. That exemption still required the payment of special district taxes.
Watchtower applied in January for refunds of special district payments made on the three properties in 2016 and 2017.
Its application was denied in a March letter from John McCarey, the county’s director of Real Property Tax Service. McCarey said that Watchtower’s initial exemption application in 2015 was approved for all but special district taxes and that the organization failed to challenge that determination at the time.
“I believe that all religions improve the quality of life in the area,” Newburgh Supervisor Gil Piaquadio said. “However, in my opinion, not contributing towards volunteer fire districts who would be called upon to fight a fire in these multi-story hotels is unfair to the fire districts and taxpayers.”
Although Watchtower’s headquarters in Warwick is complete, the two hotel properties are still being used, the organization said in its court filing.
Volunteers “supporting” the headquarters and Watchtower facilities in the towns of Fishkill, Patterson and Shawangunk used the Hampton, according to court documents. The former Hilton houses volunteers visiting the area for retreats, according to Watchtower.
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Burt Reynolds - Dead at Age 82 - Rest in Peace
by flipper inhadn't seen a thread started on this so i thought i'd start a tribute thread to one of the great actors / entertainers over the years we've enjoyed watching.
he had a wicked, dry sense of humor, especially on the johnny carson show, great acting in deliverance, so if anybody would like to share stories, you tube snippets of talk show appearances, or pieces from movies- feel free to do so !
rest in peace burt, you brought us some really cool entertainment, thanks for the memories.
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I don't know about great actor. He had no serious dialogue in his movies.
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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs
by Lady Lee inthw wts likes to play games with their statistics.
one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?
if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.
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I just got a call today from an elder staying a sister in the congregation died that way. Her husband had recently been disfellowshipped and she had talked about divorcing him.
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District Assemblies now being held at Circuit Assembly locations?
by ShirleyW ini haven't been to a kh in decades, so i get the google alerts for jws and i got one featuring a local news channel in brooklyn covering the assembly being held in flatbush, brooklyn.
i'm sure that venue is where the circuit assemblies are usually held, keeping in mind it's summer and that's when the district assemblies are being held.
why are they acting like they're so strapped for cash and now holding district assemblies in circuit assemblies locations ?.
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"They've been using both the Holt and Belleville assembly halls for District Assembly for years in Michigan"
They have never used the Holt MI assembly hall for DC's. In the 80s to 1996 DCs were in South Bend IN, Toledo and Pontiac. After 1996 the state went to Pontiac, Toledo and Cicero. After Pontiac stopped used, it was Saginaw, Belleville, Toledo.
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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?
by flipper indue to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?
remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.
what about the thousands that don't get caught?
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Your question does not say as a child. I will say yes as I was in my late 20s and my girlfriend at the time did that. I didn't complain.
I'm so tired of the complaints of the two witness rule and statements such as this " I want to know, WHO in the hell molests a child in front of two people". Who does anything wrong in front of anyone. The objectives is fewest witnesses. But the two witness rule is for congregation action as support for corroboration or the testimony otherwise is a 'he said, she said' situation and thus a stalemate.
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Is Child Abuse An Issue That You Personally Have Seen In The Organization?
by minimus inas an elder, i saw one child abuse situation involving a man who wanted to be an elder and had i believe 8 children.
he was not in our congregation when this all erupted.
he denied it and moved to another hall and unbelievably, that body of elders wanted to appoint him since they believed his entire family was lying about him.
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Absolutely not.
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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy
by cofty ini intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.
there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.
there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.
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How does that DNA one day think that it is better for a segment of the population to have penises while the rest have vaginas and ovaries and then have babies. Then how will those babies feed with no teeth. The DNA thought that the mothers need to develop a way to feed them by changing the DNA to develop breasts with milk.