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  JWs and the constitution of the United States

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  jws will not salute the flag.

  however they will support the us constitution which gives congress the right to establish the military and to declare and to make war.

  isn’t that tant amount to supporting the country going to war?.

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  " how about Watchtower supporting the United Nations as a Non Governmental Organization for ten years up until 2000"

  How about it? I don't understand what the problem is.

  True, the UN is the image of the wild beast, however Babylon, and Rome were tools that Jehovah used to punish unfaithful Jerusalem. The wild beast is a tool that Jehovah will use to attack the harlot, Babylon the Great.

  The Watchtower being an NGO of the UN is not a bad thing. Yes, the UN will be destroyed. But until then, Revelation does not say that it is bad.
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  JWs and the constitution of the United States

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws will not salute the flag.

  however they will support the us constitution which gives congress the right to establish the military and to declare and to make war.

  isn’t that tant amount to supporting the country going to war?.

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  " which gives congress the right to establish the military and to declare and to make war. "

  Where does the idea come from that Jws are against war and the military?

  Israel had wars. David and Saul were the military.

  The idea is that JWs are against nationalizing the military and thus creating wars from country vs country, all of these little ants fighting each other when the focus should be on God's kingdom.
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  The Hubris of the Governing Body

  by cofty in

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  it's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.

  they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.

  but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.

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  "They identify themselves as the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave' "

  Why does that even matter?

  Because Jesus focused on that for a second among other endtime statements? But he gave no further explanation.

  Why does that then make it relevant?
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  Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?

  by the-MadJW in

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  i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.

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  Rattigan350

  One of the things that annoys me about JWs is that they say they go in the ministry to teach people about Jehovah.

  Then I wonder: What is there to teach about Jehovah?

  He created the heavens and the earth and then neglected it.

  There are a bunch of details about what people think that God is pleased with or displeased with, but no one knows God.
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  Jesus Never Limited His Promies to 144K

  by Sea Breeze in

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  what were we thinking?

  mat_10:32 whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will i confess also before my father which is in heaven.. mat_10:33 but whosoever shall deny me before men, him will i also deny before my father which is in heaven.. mat_12:50 for whosoever shall do the will of my father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.. mat_16:25 for whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.. mat_18:4 whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.. mar_10:15 verily i say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of god as a little child, he shall not enter therein.. luk 6:47,48 whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, i will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man .

  which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock.

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  None of what the OP emphasized changes what Revelation 7 & 14 says.

  What Revelation says completes what was started back at Sinai. Actually before with Abraham.

  There was a sacrifice, a temple. Those things can't be denied. But those were ineffective.

  Jesus in the heavenly temple will have 144,000 others serving with him.

  All of those Whosoevers, does not change that. Salvation is more than going to heaven and Jesus knew that.
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

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  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

  anyone know them?

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  " and only one token minority"

  Why does that even matter?

  There is no policy race wise anywhere.

  The reason that people call for races and women on the supreme courts is because they deal with racial and gender issues, but the governing body has no racial issues to deal with, nor gender issues.
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

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  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

  anyone know them?

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  " when the Bible clearly says that ALL Christians should take from the emblems"

  The Bible says no such thing.

  The Bible only says that the 11 were to partake in remembrance of Jesus.

  What authority does Paul have to alter that?

  All since then have the 4 gospels to read from to remember Jesus, not bread and wine.
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  Did the ransom sacrifice even work?

  by Sharpie in

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  shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.

  as per doctrine.

  is still alive in heaven right now correct?

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  Cofty said "you might be interested to know that everything you just just wrote would have been a complete mystery to the Bible Students of Russell's time."

  Why does that matter? I'm not talking about Russell. I'm talking about the application of the ransom.

  But then without the ransom, what hope does anyone have?
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  How many doubt the GB official teaching about who will survive

  by Indoubtbigtime in

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  i wonder how many have doubts about the gb teaching that only baptised jws would survive the big a?

  even then they still only say you may make it as with unbaptised kids of jdubs.

  i think most people physically in don’t agree with the gb on this and are hoping jehovah would let other good people into the new world even if they are not baptised jws.

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  What is their official teaching that only baptized JWs will survive God's war?

  Of course they teach that because that is their carrot and whip to lead people.

  But we know that is not the case, because many good non-Jws will survive too.
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  How do JWs know that millions who were martyred as Christians before the 20th century did not have the heavenly hope?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  as i understand it, jehovah’s witnesses believe less than 145,000 faithful christians existed prior to the twentieth century.

  the other sheep christians did not start forming until after 1914. that means jehovah’s witnesses view millions martyred for their faith in christ prior to the 20th century as merely professed christians.. the question is…how do witnesses know that those millions who perished for their faith in christ were not christians at all?.

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  Rattigan350

  What do you mean How did we know that millions didn't have the heavenly hope?

  We don't know who did and who didn't.

  If they had faith in Christ, they were Christians.

  Were they anointed by the holy spirit?

  No one knows. But just being a Christian or dying for one's faith is not a guaranteed that one gets anointed with holy spirit.