putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.
it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.
there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.
Those occupations listed often pay more than the ones that college degree with pay, and many are self employed which makes them the big boss.
A self-employed window washer is far more well off than regular jobs.
The accusation is that such ones are not 'trained' to be counselors. But the accusation that they are not trained implies that there are trainers, and I don't believe that such people exist. Counseling exists because of experience, not training.
not being raised as a jw, i went to many church weddings, mostly in catholic churches.
all the times i went to jw weddings i thought it unusual that they had their own vows, much different from the wedding vows used elsewhere.
i remembered jws mentioning "divine temination" of marriages to me and thought the vows reflected that thought.
At the rehearsal for my wedding with a JW, I had asked the elder if we would be rehearsing the talk and the vows. He replied that if we rehearsed the vows, then that would make us married.
Well, isn't that the goal here? What difference does it make if it happens that night or tomorrow during the ceremony?
another boring and repetitive ''watchtower study.
'' all the articles are about the ''faithful and discreet slave.''.
for whatever reason, you tolerate this for years.
If any of you do sound at a meeting or assembly, before the meeting or assembly starts, play the Raines of Castamere and see if anyone runs out.
i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....
"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.
when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.
Beth Sarim "And rotten all the way up. That's why they adhere to the 2 witness rule like they do."
I seem to take issue with much of what you write.
The two witness rule was given by God because it is needed.
9th commandment in Ex 20:16 "“You must not testify falsely when you are a witness against your fellow man."
Why was that put in there? Because Jehovah trusts people?
It was a problem back then when they didn't have a formal court system and rules of evidence. Jehovah gave them rules of evidence because he knew humans couldn't be trusted.
Has that changed in 4000 years? Are humans more trustworthy now to where we don't need such rules?
not being raised as a jw, i went to many church weddings, mostly in catholic churches.
all the times i went to jw weddings i thought it unusual that they had their own vows, much different from the wedding vows used elsewhere.
i remembered jws mentioning "divine temination" of marriages to me and thought the vows reflected that thought.
JW weddings do not have vows.
The 'repeat after me' part is not vows. It is simple the couple obeying what the speaker is saying by repeating after him. They are reciting the words. No different than actors reciting lines.
There is no feeling or romance in that. How can there be? The heart is not there.
They didn't practice the vows before hand to know what they are vowing.
JWs are not married, other than legally, because they have not vowed anything.
the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
"Jesus and the apostles offered a greater perspective, including the promise of heavenly reward after death"
That is called a resurrection. That does not negate that the dead know nothing.
When they are resurrected, their memories are put back into them.
Why did you write all of that when your premise is wrong, wrong, wrong.
I just proved it wrong in one sentence.
i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....
"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.
when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.
Shouldn't your questions be compared to the Bible?
And shouldn't those questions be current such as #21 and #10?
i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....
"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.
when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.
"....and when the Borg gets caught being part of the UN wild beast and destroys its literature. Covering its tracks."
That's not an answer to my question.
Yeah, the WTS is all about how things look, but that is not what was asked.
i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....
"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.
when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.
"And then you have no evidence to substantiate your claim.
Other than your own literature."
What literature? I have no literature.
i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....
"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.
when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.
"when your organization holds NGO status in the Wild Beast of Revelation for close to 10 years running."
I don't see the problem with the WTS being an NGO of the UN.
Yes, the UN is the image of the wild beast, but the Wild Beast is used by Jehovah for the destruction of the harlot just as the Babylon and Roman armies were tools used by Jehovah to destroy unfaithful Jerusalem.
So how is the UN bad if Jehovah is using it as his executional force????
