Posts by Rattigan350

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List of main points from 2023 AGM

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

Rattigan350

Why are you all talking about who will be resurrected and who will live through Armageddon?

No one knows. But first the end will have to come and so far it hasn't.

And as for resurrection, does it really matter? It has been stated that Adam and Eve won't be resurrected. Who cares? If they were, it would be a man and a woman. What would people do, interrogate them? Torture them? Be angry at them? What information would we get from them?

Then the faithful ones would be paraded around in a rock star stadium tour to give their experiences. But we've already analyzed their lives so much that would there be anything new?

As for the resurrection to heaven. We know that only 144,000 have been set to have been anointed and all of them have been anointed. Since the mid 90s no new ones have been anointed. Around 1918 the ones who have died before then were resurrected, and since that time the anointed who died have been raised up. It is known.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

"The fact that the Great Tribulation is no longer the cutoff on whether you can make it through Armageddon. Now people can become JWs or even repent well into the Great Tribulation."

Speculation about prophesy is always difficult. I wouldn't hold anything to this or any prior teachings about this subject. Some people believe that to survive armageddon, one must be a baptized active Witness, or progressing towards that. But yet armageddon has not come yet. I know of ones who were baptized in 1958 assembly but have died so all of their efforts didn't get anyone or themselves through armageddon.

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JW.ORG Needs Lawyers

by Vanderhoven7 in

jehovah's witnesses are not encouraging university education... but those who are lawyers already can apply to volunteer to help at bethel.. https://youtu.be/5d_-1lbg-oc?si=fsxeewic-fkczu9p.

Rattigan350

"I don't think the first century Christian congregation needed lawyers and accountants."

Yes, they did. They had Saul who became Paul. He was a lawyer.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

"The Courts & Jurors alike come down very hard on Organizations who capitalize-on & take advantage of children in this manner. Something needs to be done immediately to deflect & keep the Pennsylvania AG from drawing too much attention to the amount of time you engage your children in the Public Ministry."
But wouldn't the first amendment protect the organization concerning children in the public ministry? The government can't penalize or tell them they can't allow children in the ministry. It would be no different than having children in a holiday musical.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

For 50 years Roe v Wade was in the American fabric as Supreme Court Precedent. But it was recently overturned because the court went back to the originals.

For more than 50 years, counting and reporting field service time was part of JW life. This was overturned in a day, well, with the help of pioneer hour reduction over the years. Maybe they are going back to the originals and eliminating all of this add on rules. New GB members bringing new views?

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

I've worked jobs by the hour. I've also been self employed so I worked for the work. I like the self employed better so it means that every minute matters, as opposed to working by the hour where every minute was 1/60th of the pay rate.

That is like field service. Working by the hour "I'm going out for 3 hours today", you focus on the 3 hours and watch the clock. If your ministry is not about time, then you are going to focus on people not the clock.

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hours

by pepperheart2 in

does any body know if people at bethels around the world used to to have to do admin for all the publishers weekly reports .

Rattigan350

The congregation's secretary would total the number of hours for publishers, aux pios, pios, and the number of each and the publications and send it in.

Then the branch would just deal with the congregation totals. In the past the branch would deal with the pioneer reports but that got changed to the congregation.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Rattigan350

The thing is, he never actually reconsidered the Gentile Times.

He just moved the destruction of Jerusalem from 607 to 587. Did he reconsider that the Gentile Times were not based on the destruction of Jerusalem? He was arguing with the WTS on their teachings, not on the actual chronology of what God was doing.

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Real reasons behind this change?

by Gorb in

jw
friends

just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

Rattigan350

The reason was that they reduced pioneer hours to keep the number of pioneers up.

With publishers they couldn't reduce hours, so by not reporting them, then that is a way to keep then number of publishers up.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

This is what I've been saying for years that they should do. Just have a box where we can check that states we were a publisher that month. And as others have stated, the number of publishers will go up with people just checking the box.

The whole reporting of time, and pioneering, is a violation of what Jesus said "you, when making gifts of mercy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your gifts of mercy may be in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you." and "when you make gifts of mercy, do not blow a trumpet ahead of you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be glorified by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full."