Stop with this new light on this, it is not new. Maybe new to the people that strictly keep to the fine details of the past, and I ask why are you doing that? But to those of us who have a broader view, it is not new.
Rattigan350
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Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”
by FFGhost inso, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.
old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.
the “door of the ark” is closed.
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Is there “new light” on 1914?
by wallsofjericho ini’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .
is this regarding 1914?
or micheal the arch angel?.
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To those of you who say that 1914 came from Russell or Barbour or William Miller. No, it was back in 1823 from Even-Tide by John Aquilla Brown. He used 604 - 1917, 3 years later but it is the same concept.
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Did God know adam and eve would sin?
by gavindlt into all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..
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Vanderhoven "Since the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, He had to know before creating man"
That's not what that means.
It means that after the sin, Jehovah set a purpose for the redemption using his son.
The founding of the world was not before creation.
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JW Chrisians in name only-what do you think
by enoughisenough injw claim they are the true religion and they mention the love they have among themselves as proof.
i have been watching a youtube creator who had some thoughts on the subject, bringing out jw were not really christian, based upon their actions.
he made a pretty good case.
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Helalapeno said "It's true that JWs have a lot of problems and their theology is demonstrably false. Not because they're JWs, but because they are Christian. Being wrong about how the universe works doesn't make JWs any less Christian than any other denomination."
Sorry, but the theology of JWs is correct. That is one thing that I'm thankful for ole CT Russell for, for setting the path to the truth.
Recently I've spent some time on Twitter and there are trinitarians, and ones who believe hellfire, and all Christians go to heaven, Calvinism such as predestination. And when I tell them how wrong they are, they mute me or block me or are rude.
They use the controversial scriptures and can't argue their beliefs.
But JWs understand the structure from beginning to end of how God and the kingdom and afterlife work.
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Is there “new light” on 1914?
by wallsofjericho ini’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .
is this regarding 1914?
or micheal the arch angel?.
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Elderberry said "For a start there is no 2nd greater fulfilment of the 7 times prophecy. That was just about Nebuchadnezzar living like a beast for 7 years. William Miller made a stupid theory about it and JW went even further with Millers theory and made it even more stupid."
The fulfillment of the 7 times being around 1914 did not come from William Miller. It came back in the 1820s with John Brown and E B Elliott and Henry Clinton.
Also without the second fulfillment, how does Jesus become king? There are many prophecies stating that Jesus will become king. But he didn't. He lived and died and did not become king.
The kings in the line of David ended with Jehoiakim in 607, not the destruction of Jerusalem, and then the kingdom was paused for 2520 years. Without that pausing from Dan 4. There would be no basis for Jesus to become king and the events of Revelation to start.
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Is there “new light” on 1914?
by wallsofjericho ini’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .
is this regarding 1914?
or micheal the arch angel?.
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"The 1914 doctrine is not sustainable , 607 is a made up year , it has to be eliminated."
On Twitter I was arguing with Trinitarians who say that John 8:58 was connected to ex 3:14. Then I understood, if there were that connection, then the apostles like Paul would have made that connection. But that connection was made centuries later so it is extrabiblical.
Here, 607 is correct for the beginning of the 7 times and 1914 is the end of them. It can't be eliminated as it is not a Watchtower originated doctrine. Would it have been something that the apostles would have connected? It came from Daniel. The apostles didn't mention the 70 weeks, but they knew it and looked to it.
There were many things that Paul was vague on and he didn't know because he didn't have the Revelation. But it does say in Daniel 12:9 "Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end."
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Smoking
by NotFormer inis it likely to be removed from the list of disfellowshippable offences?
given that the ban on smoking 🚬 is completely unbiblical*, might they ever remove it?.
*even mainstream christianity can only come up with one verse "against" it, the one that says that the body is the temple of the holy spirit.
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Does it need to be 'biblical' to ban it?
Everyone should voluntarily shun smokers because they stink.
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Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”
by FFGhost inso, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.
old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.
the “door of the ark” is closed.
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It's not old light, new light.
Back then that is what they wanted people to believe to motivate them to preach and go to meetings and stay loyal.
That didn't mean that is how it would end up.
What they teach now at the AGM is the way it has always been. That is how Jehovah had it.
The problem is that people are concerned with living through the end.
I think that I'm going to be telling people that I don't care if I make it through armageddon and I don't want to live in the kingdom.
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Did God know adam and eve would sin?
by gavindlt into all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..
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Of course not.
If he did what purpose would that serve?
Predestination makes no sense
God is not all knowing. He does not know the future beyond what he wants to know or plans to do.
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Why are the 2 newly appointed Governing Body Members from Bethel, when there are anointed ones all over the world? they could have used.
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enjoy life forever!—an interactive bible course.
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There are no more anointed ones left in the world. One does not have to be anointed by holy spirit to be on the Governing body, one just has to say one was.