what i mean by the title of this thread is what has happened to a relative of mine, one who is really upset about this factor:.
this relative is a distant cousin on my mother's side of the family.
she studied as a child and got baptized at 14 1/2 years old.
"She now at age 55 doesn't have a retirement plan, and she has very little savings in her bank account."
And what does that have to do with religion? There are very many non-JWs who are in the same boat and even ones with University degrees.
Why are you looking at this one sided when it applies to everyone?
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Konagirl:
@Rattagan 350 - "It does not matter. You don't build a religion based on one scripture."
"I agree to a point. Each scripture, matters. "
I don't think that any scripture matters. Scripture is just past writings telling of God's will.
His will and purposes will continue even if never written down.
Many things that Jesus said were never written down. If the F&DS saying was written down, then what would they have?
february 2023 study watchtower: .
p. 16, par.
5 - ”when we base our discussions on material published by jehovah’s organization, (not the bible!
"The Watchtower Sept 2012 states that the cry for peace and security was an initial sign."
I don't think that they advocate that anymore just like they don't advocate 1914 and many other things that the pre 1995 GB taught.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
It does not matter. You don't build a religion based on one scripture.
didn't peter say that god is not partial?
(acts 10:34) the 'fartful slave' in warwick disagrees!.
w11 8/15 p. 24 par.
I don't see the problem with the Watchtower quotes. I see problems with your alterations to them.
what are some of the red flags that should alert people to the fact that jehovah's witnesses are a high control and damaging religion?.
one that comes to mind is.
1. one cannot leave jehovah's witnesses with one's reputation intact.
"One cannot leave Jehovah's Witnesses with one's reputation intact."
If one leaves, one's reputation is now that of a leaver. Why should the reputation stay anything different?
"You have to believe that Jehovah`s Witnesses are the only true Christian religion"
If you don't believe that JWs are the only true Religion, then you need to go to the one you believe is the only true religion.
"You can read their literature, but they won't read yours."
Not true. I won't take another's, but I'll sit down and we will discuss it.
"They try to separate you from the real world."
Taylor Swift and Oprah do that.
february 2023 study watchtower: .
p. 16, par.
5 - ”when we base our discussions on material published by jehovah’s organization, (not the bible!
"The Watchtower freely admits it is made up of imperfect men. This is as good as it gets for an apology for getting it wrong. The fact remains - the Watchtower gets it wrong."
Wrong about what??? Why they focus on the Watchtower?
I'm not wrong at what I believe and do. I don't focus on the Watchtower. So why are you?
"So, the only source Witnesses are to get information from is basically a crap shoot. At the same time they claim that their salvation is based on obeying the Watchtower. It is like going to a blind surgeon for a lifesaving medical procedure. Good luck with that!"
You need to remember that the Watchtower's teachings are correct. They can get them wrong, but they are correct. They problem is that they get their teachings from the Bible, such as they follow the apostles. Where do the apostles get their authority to make doctrine such as disfellowshipping and blood?
Also they are taking life from the Bible times and applying it today. They need to open their thinking.
february 2023 study watchtower: .
p. 16, par.
5 - ”when we base our discussions on material published by jehovah’s organization, (not the bible!
"A couple watch the news. Later, after a congregation meeting, they share with others their strong personal opinions about the meaning of news events. (Bottom) A couple watch a Governing Body update in order to stay current with the latest understanding of Bible prophecy. They offer to others Bible-based publications that are provided by the faithful slave."
This is a good thing. There are people that still look for a cry for Peace and Security from the governments although that is not what the scripture states at all. There was a GB update that said not to look for that cry and it appears that many didn't even notice that.
"new light!
(looking for opinions on this line of reasoning)
the basis for doing away with the 1914 doctrine may have been laid in this new book.
Alan F was correct in that the Proclaimers book acknowledges that Barbour is not the one that first came up with the time around 1914.
They would not change the start of the 2520 years to 587 because it did not start in 587. The start is not at the destruction of Jerusalem because the prophesy is not about Jerusalem.
acts 20:28 literally says: “his own blood”.
nwt interprets the verse: “the blood of his own son”.
nwt is an accurate interpretation because the verse is axiomatically referring to the blood of jesus and not the blood of god..
"which literally says : "the blood of his own", a subtle difference."
The blood of his own what?
This is why following the Bible does not give the clear answer, so we must use logic.
It can't be God's own blood Not his own blood but the blood of someone else.
And everywhere else in the Bible points to the blood of Jesus, his son.
Thus the NWT is accurate in its meaning.
