Posts by Rattigan350

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Anyone know what this sculpture is of the "torture stake?"

by charity7 in

hey guys!

i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.

my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.

Rattigan350

"In John 20:25, the number of nails is not clear, but in all English Scriptures, including NW, there is a plural number of nails, so it is natural to think that the nails were done separately in both hands rather than gathering hands on pillars."

I think that it was a single pole with one hand placed on one side and a nail through it and the other hand placed on the other side with a nail through it, which is easier than one nail through both hands. Thus nails plural in his hands. That is easier than a cross beam as there has to be nails to go through that. They would want to conserve resources.

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Very Interesting Post...

by XBEHERE in

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friends

and then, for two years…..nothing happened.until they pretended everything was normal and sent everyone back to the hamster wheel.

back to meetings, back to d2d, back to assemblies & conventions.

everyone, get back on the hamster wheel, and don’t you dare complain or try to get out of it by using zoom.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/14fhe4y/exercise_patience_classic_gaslighting_from_wt/ .

Rattigan350

2 Timothy 1-5 "But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here"

The things that he listed are so general but yet so specific that it has no meaning. There is no reference point.

"For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal"

Were people in his time not lovers of themselves? Were they not lovers of money? Were they not boastful? Haughty? Blasphemers? Were people in Paul's day obedient to parents? Thankful? Loyal, etc?

He would have to set that baseline for there to be comparisons of any future time.

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Very Interesting Post...

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

and then, for two years…..nothing happened.until they pretended everything was normal and sent everyone back to the hamster wheel.

back to meetings, back to d2d, back to assemblies & conventions.

everyone, get back on the hamster wheel, and don’t you dare complain or try to get out of it by using zoom.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/14fhe4y/exercise_patience_classic_gaslighting_from_wt/ .

Rattigan350

I thought that JWs should be immune from covid as they are neutral and covid was created by the democrats to get Trump out of office. So it is surprising that a greater proportion of JWs got the covid and died than those in the world.

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Rainbow 🌈 Law Makers will turn on Religion NOT the UN

by JohnTron7 in

it should be starting to become more clear to people what i've stated for years on this site.

the threat against religion that becomes pivotal will come from lgbtq politicians forcing through " hate crime" bills aimed at religions.

in the past i have had a " maybe" statement from only one commenter.

Rattigan350

The UN won't be that which attacks religion.

It would go against their charter.

The Purposes of the United Nations are:

To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and
To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

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Anyone know what this sculpture is of the "torture stake?"

by charity7 in

hey guys!

i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.

my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.

Rattigan350

The issue is that back in the 1920s Carey Barber and the other directors decided to move from the stauros as cross to the stauros as stake. Which is fine with me. But they because dogmatic about it just to separate them from other religions. I don't see that as Christian.

But I don't think of it as a doctrinal issue. The Romans used both the cross beam and non-cross beams in their executions. Which was used with Jesus? Since no drawings were provided by the eyewitnesses, we don't know.

But what we do know is that which prefigured this, the copper serpent, was on what was called a signal pole. It had to have some method to suspend the object. So a cross piece just does that.

What is significant is 2 Kings 18:5 "He also crushed the copper serpent that Moses had made; for down to that time the people of Israel had been making sacrificial smoke to it and it used to be called the copper serpent-idol."

The object that prefigured Jesus' death (Nu 21:4-9, Joh 3:13-15), was wrongly used as an idol. What I am against is the continual display of the cross as it has become an idol, and people don't realize that.

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a pet peeve of mine

by enoughisenough in

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putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.

it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.

there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.

Rattigan350

Those occupations listed often pay more than the ones that college degree with pay, and many are self employed which makes them the big boss.

A self-employed window washer is far more well off than regular jobs.

The accusation is that such ones are not 'trained' to be counselors. But the accusation that they are not trained implies that there are trainers, and I don't believe that such people exist. Counseling exists because of experience, not training.

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JW Marriages - Loophole in wedding vows

by Finally-Free in

not being raised as a jw, i went to many church weddings, mostly in catholic churches.

all the times i went to jw weddings i thought it unusual that they had their own vows, much different from the wedding vows used elsewhere.

i remembered jws mentioning "divine temination" of marriages to me and thought the vows reflected that thought.

Rattigan350

At the rehearsal for my wedding with a JW, I had asked the elder if we would be rehearsing the talk and the vows. He replied that if we rehearsed the vows, then that would make us married.

Well, isn't that the goal here? What difference does it make if it happens that night or tomorrow during the ceremony?

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How did you pass the time when the Kingdom Hall meetings became boring and repetitive/

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

another boring and repetitive ''watchtower study.

'' all the articles are about the ''faithful and discreet slave.''.

for whatever reason, you tolerate this for years.

Rattigan350

If any of you do sound at a meeting or assembly, before the meeting or assembly starts, play the Raines of Castamere and see if anyone runs out.

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How Do You Know You Are In The Wrong Religion?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.

when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.

Rattigan350

Beth Sarim "And rotten all the way up. That's why they adhere to the 2 witness rule like they do."

I seem to take issue with much of what you write.

The two witness rule was given by God because it is needed.

9th commandment in Ex 20:16 "“You must not testify falsely when you are a witness against your fellow man."

Why was that put in there? Because Jehovah trusts people?

It was a problem back then when they didn't have a formal court system and rules of evidence. Jehovah gave them rules of evidence because he knew humans couldn't be trusted.

Has that changed in 4000 years? Are humans more trustworthy now to where we don't need such rules?

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JW Marriages - Loophole in wedding vows

by Finally-Free in

not being raised as a jw, i went to many church weddings, mostly in catholic churches.

all the times i went to jw weddings i thought it unusual that they had their own vows, much different from the wedding vows used elsewhere.

i remembered jws mentioning "divine temination" of marriages to me and thought the vows reflected that thought.

Rattigan350

JW weddings do not have vows.

The 'repeat after me' part is not vows. It is simple the couple obeying what the speaker is saying by repeating after him. They are reciting the words. No different than actors reciting lines.

There is no feeling or romance in that. How can there be? The heart is not there.

They didn't practice the vows before hand to know what they are vowing.

JWs are not married, other than legally, because they have not vowed anything.