Posts by Rattigan350

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List of main points from 2023 AGM

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

Rattigan350

I'm watching it now and the first thing I noticed was Ken Cook introduced a musical prelude. At the start of the conventions they would always introduce a musical interlude. I once told a CO about that and he had to look up the word in a dictionary. Maybe that suggest went all the way up.

Back in the 80s when I came in, the Governing Body had the awe about them. They were their positions since the 1920s. They had history. The ones now a days have no history.

Bro Winder is not correct when he says the governing body is not inspired. Yes, they are inspired by God. Inspired means where did the idea come from. The idea for their writings comes from God the same as with Paul. People think that being inspired means to have God directly give the information to do them. It does not.

He said the brothers are looking for a unanimous decision. Not that it is a rule.

Then David Splane - Was not changing doctrine. He was not getting dogmatic with specifics.

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Thought on “0 hours” reporting

by FFGhost in

so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

Rattigan350

" I seem to remember in Ray Franz's CoC he mentioned there had to be a "two thirds majority"."

What does the constitution say about that?

Doesn't the organization have a constitution?

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

"remove the time reporting because it's unsustainable & unscriptual."

Why does it need to be scriptural?

Paul set up congregational activities. Some because of Israel's past, such as marry only in the Lord. And elders and servants were set after Israel had tribes and the tribes had families and the families had household. So the family heads were considered elders or older men of Israel.

But Paul also set activities because they needed to be done, not because they were scriptural. He set new things. 1 Cor 16:2 he told them "On the first day of every week, each of you should set something aside according to his own means, so that collections will not take place when I arrive."

That is not scriptural. That was new. Why is there no one criticizing him because that was not scriptural.

The counting and reporting of time was against what Jesus taught about not letting the left hand know what the right hand was doing, and not parading what one had done. It was more contradictory to what Jesus had taught.

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List of main points from 2023 AGM

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

Rattigan350

Why are you all talking about who will be resurrected and who will live through Armageddon?

No one knows. But first the end will have to come and so far it hasn't.

And as for resurrection, does it really matter? It has been stated that Adam and Eve won't be resurrected. Who cares? If they were, it would be a man and a woman. What would people do, interrogate them? Torture them? Be angry at them? What information would we get from them?

Then the faithful ones would be paraded around in a rock star stadium tour to give their experiences. But we've already analyzed their lives so much that would there be anything new?

As for the resurrection to heaven. We know that only 144,000 have been set to have been anointed and all of them have been anointed. Since the mid 90s no new ones have been anointed. Around 1918 the ones who have died before then were resurrected, and since that time the anointed who died have been raised up. It is known.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

"The fact that the Great Tribulation is no longer the cutoff on whether you can make it through Armageddon. Now people can become JWs or even repent well into the Great Tribulation."

Speculation about prophesy is always difficult. I wouldn't hold anything to this or any prior teachings about this subject. Some people believe that to survive armageddon, one must be a baptized active Witness, or progressing towards that. But yet armageddon has not come yet. I know of ones who were baptized in 1958 assembly but have died so all of their efforts didn't get anyone or themselves through armageddon.

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JW.ORG Needs Lawyers

by Vanderhoven7 in

jehovah's witnesses are not encouraging university education... but those who are lawyers already can apply to volunteer to help at bethel.. https://youtu.be/5d_-1lbg-oc?si=fsxeewic-fkczu9p.

Rattigan350

"I don't think the first century Christian congregation needed lawyers and accountants."

Yes, they did. They had Saul who became Paul. He was a lawyer.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

"The Courts & Jurors alike come down very hard on Organizations who capitalize-on & take advantage of children in this manner. Something needs to be done immediately to deflect & keep the Pennsylvania AG from drawing too much attention to the amount of time you engage your children in the Public Ministry."
But wouldn't the first amendment protect the organization concerning children in the public ministry? The government can't penalize or tell them they can't allow children in the ministry. It would be no different than having children in a holiday musical.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

For 50 years Roe v Wade was in the American fabric as Supreme Court Precedent. But it was recently overturned because the court went back to the originals.

For more than 50 years, counting and reporting field service time was part of JW life. This was overturned in a day, well, with the help of pioneer hour reduction over the years. Maybe they are going back to the originals and eliminating all of this add on rules. New GB members bringing new views?

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

Rattigan350

I've worked jobs by the hour. I've also been self employed so I worked for the work. I like the self employed better so it means that every minute matters, as opposed to working by the hour where every minute was 1/60th of the pay rate.

That is like field service. Working by the hour "I'm going out for 3 hours today", you focus on the 3 hours and watch the clock. If your ministry is not about time, then you are going to focus on people not the clock.

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hours

by pepperheart2 in

does any body know if people at bethels around the world used to to have to do admin for all the publishers weekly reports .

Rattigan350

The congregation's secretary would total the number of hours for publishers, aux pios, pios, and the number of each and the publications and send it in.

Then the branch would just deal with the congregation totals. In the past the branch would deal with the pioneer reports but that got changed to the congregation.