Posts by Rattigan350

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Know it’s not true but stay anyway

by Elena in

how many of the millions of jws know it’s not true but stay anyway?.

my guess is most jws know it’s not true on a subconscious level to an extent but they don’t want to think about it too much and would never ever voice it out loud.. but this is probably true with all religions around the world?.

Rattigan350

What is not true?

You are not referring to the doctrines because they are true.

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John 1:1 in Coptic Translation

by slimboyfat in

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apparently there has been quite a stir in jw apologetic circles recently about the translation of john 1:1 in the early sahidic version of john.

i don't know if this has been discussed here before - if someone could give a link to a previous thread they know about on the subject that would be great.

here is what i gather: .

Rattigan350

I asked a person why he believes Jesus is God and he said John 1:1 says Jesus was God.

Oh. That was written 65 years after Jesus died. If the reason people believe that Jesus was God is that, what did they believe during those prior 65 years?

Nowhere in Acts is there any trinity or that Jesus was God taught. The opposite. Stephen said that Jesus was at the right hand of God. Two people with a distinct rank and separation.

Why do people care what John 1:1 says?

John was just a man. He was simply writing a history of Jesus' life and John 1 was a prologue. He starts with the baptism and then the wedding and water to wine. John was showing that this guy was not just someone doing magic tricks, but he had a divine origin. That's all. It is not about a definite article or not. It was all about that he existed in heaven as a spirit before he became human. Apparently John's audience didn't understand that.

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First video from the convention is all about FEAR

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/cdzydtuoblw?si=tyr8hgdgaiyn7c4h.

this was leaked only few days ago and it's a small segment of the video from the 2024 convention that has already started.

the video shows a jw logo down while worried jws are watching it as a news item on their tv screens, others are seen hiding from the police, others driving is the countryside to escape the authorities.

Rattigan350

Why do they keep talking about the government persecution?

We have the 1st amendment to the federal constitution protecting our freedom of religion and each state has that freedom in its own constitution.

And even if those were to fail to protect that freedom, we have the 2nd amendment of the US Federal constitution to bring back those freedoms.

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Romans 10: 9 Simple Salvation - Not So Fast Says WT.

by Sea Breeze in

"if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead, you will be saved".

- romans 10: 9. i find it interesting that this simple requirement for salvation has been a specific target of wt since their beginning.. first, jw's call jehovah lord, not jesus.

the fact that scripture calls jesus the king of kings and lord of lords doesn't seem to matter to them.

Rattigan350

It is simple. The structure was that Israel was God's people. Then they became unfaithful and in Jer 31 a new covenant was given to where the structure would still be Israel but not of the flesh, but of the spirit.

We can't rely upon what Jesus said and not on what Paul said. Neither of them knew that the structure would be limited to 144,000. That was not revealed until Revelation.

Starting at Pentecost, the Israelites were anointed with holy spirit and adopted into the covenant, then in Acts 8 the Samaritans, then in Acts 10 the Gentiles. Then people in general whom God chose were anointed with holy spirit until the 144,000 were filled. This was filled around the mid 1990s.

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Romans 10: 9 Simple Salvation - Not So Fast Says WT.

by Sea Breeze in

"if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead, you will be saved".

- romans 10: 9. i find it interesting that this simple requirement for salvation has been a specific target of wt since their beginning.. first, jw's call jehovah lord, not jesus.

the fact that scripture calls jesus the king of kings and lord of lords doesn't seem to matter to them.

Rattigan350

Sea Breeze said "Before the cross, Jesus predicted that he would resurrect himself from the dead, while he was dead."

No, he did not predict that. There was no cross. Jesus did not predict that he would resurrect himself, because he would be dead.

"So, if you are good with a man who resurrected himself from the dead being the Lord of your life, that's about all there is to getting saved. Living the Christian life is a 3 step process though.

1. Justification

2. Sanctification

3. Glorification"

None of those 3 are part of Christianity. What ever happened to "I will cause a boy who drives a plow to know more of the scriptures than the pope."

No one needs to know those 3 words listed above.

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Romans 10: 9 Simple Salvation - Not So Fast Says WT.

by Sea Breeze in

"if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead, you will be saved".

- romans 10: 9. i find it interesting that this simple requirement for salvation has been a specific target of wt since their beginning.. first, jw's call jehovah lord, not jesus.

the fact that scripture calls jesus the king of kings and lord of lords doesn't seem to matter to them.

Rattigan350

"if you confess with your mouth".

Sounds like it applies only to his readers as all of the other letters from Paul go.

Paul is not the authority here.

And that 1963 W is correct. Jesus could not have been resurrected in the body that he lived in as he could not ascend beyond the atmosphere.

It had to be a body of spirit as he was at the right hand of God.

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Happy 55th Anniversary Jehovah's Witnesses, masters of religious misinformation and lies.

by was a new boy in

it's already may 22, 2024 in kiritimati.. .

Rattigan350

Why do people keep using the words of writers against the religion?

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The snake of Genesis 3:1

by Halcon in

we've got some really knowledgeable members on here so i have a question for them and everybody.

what was the earliest adjective used to describe the snake of genesis 3:1?

currently one can read words in english translations like 'cunning' and 'crafty'....but in other languages you see words like 'wise' and astute...which convey a completely different idea.. i'm wondering what may have been the earliest and most accurate adjective known or used.