Posts by Rattigan350

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JWs: 144,000 in Revelation is not ALWAYS a literal number

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

i recently realized something interesting about jw theology and thought i'd share it with the rest of the class: as most of us know, a distictive facet of watchtower/jw theology is the concept that the 144,000 in revelation chapters 7 and 14 is a literal number.

thus, the witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 humans will be resurrected to heaven to rule with jesus christ, while the rest of the witnesses will populate a restored paradise earth.. they also teach that the 24 elders in revelation represent the 144,000 kings and priests in heaven.

so, when rev.

Rattigan350

"what's the WTS going to say about this scripture when the number or partakers at the Memorial reaches 144,000?"

The number of partakers are a few or a handful.

The ones at the memorial eating and drinking are posers. They pose as anointed because they think that they are or want to be. That is not how it works.

Since 1995 the number means nothing.

"The 144,000 are all men....no womenses"

No. The 144,000 are not all men.

It says they are virgins because they have not been defiled with women. But is sex with women something that defiles one? God created sex so it can't be a bad thing in itself.

The High priest could only marry a virgin. Jesus as the high priest could only have a bridge that is a virgin. But not in the physical sense, but in the spiritual sense.

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JWs: 144,000 in Revelation is not ALWAYS a literal number

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

i recently realized something interesting about jw theology and thought i'd share it with the rest of the class: as most of us know, a distictive facet of watchtower/jw theology is the concept that the 144,000 in revelation chapters 7 and 14 is a literal number.

thus, the witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 humans will be resurrected to heaven to rule with jesus christ, while the rest of the witnesses will populate a restored paradise earth.. they also teach that the 24 elders in revelation represent the 144,000 kings and priests in heaven.

so, when rev.

Rattigan350

All numbers in Revelation are literal numbers, but the numbers and things that are numbers symbolize things.

There are literally 7 bowl, 7 trumpets, 7 seals, 4 horsemen, and 144,000 anointed ones.

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

Rattigan350

There will be changes because they will realize that medical use of blood is not against God's law. God's law is only what is on Gen 9:4 and it can't be expanded beyond that.

Duran, they are lowering standards and making things more palatable for the people. They are just having a difficult time to figure out how to do that with blood. They are starting with fractions and working their way to the other components to whole blood.

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Chosen

by Gman2001 in

how exactly did jehovah come down to earth in 1919....look around at all the religions....and choose the bible students?

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Rattigan350

Well, It's not that Jesus chose them, but that they pursued the truth and doing the will of his Father.

Then Jesus blessed them because they did that.

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Memorial talk the SAME EVERY YEAR no anointed??

by Witness 007 in

yeah so got invited this year and just thought what a waste of my time no one partakes in the wine or bread the talk has been the same for 20 years i would rather stay home.

Rattigan350

Why does everyone focus on the anointed? There is nothing special about them.
Now there aren't any anointed on earth; if there are, it is just a handful.

No need to worry about them.

The Memorial is for the apostles only, not for us today.

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Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians

by Paul Bonanno in

jw
friends

hi .

who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.

paul.

Rattigan350

None of the above.

I'm the best historian.

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I think I may be becoming an X-X-JW

by joe134cd in

i think i may be moving on shortly.

i officially joined this web-site 12 years ago as pimo about to exit the organisation.

i had spent about a year before that, as just a none commenting member.

Rattigan350

There was a while where I was antijw, but then there is this person that I work with who was dating a guy for a couple of years, intimate non-marital relationship. Then she breaks up with him and in turn then there is hatred and retaliation and he files lawsuits against her in retaliation.

It's like every case on Judge Judy. The bottom line is what is said in 2 Tim 3:3. Not open to any agreement. Parents suing children and vice versa. Brother against sister. Boyfriend and girlfriend live together, make loans and breakup. People getting drunk and causing property damage.

People of the world don't have standards and then they make messes of their lives and this unwillingness to agree or find common ground can lead to conflict and a breakdown of relationship. I've come to see that is now how it is among Jehovah's Witnesses. There are standards and people are to seek peace and pursuit it. Contrary to what balaamsass said, it is not the Watchtower that did damage. It is trying to prevent damage. It is the world that does the damage.

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What's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives?

by Rattigan350 in

what's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives on the jan 2025 w that is being studied today?.

is there a point to that?.

Rattigan350

They mentioned men watching pornography, but remember. The wives need to do their part in keeping in shape and showing it.

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What's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives?

by Rattigan350 in

what's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives on the jan 2025 w that is being studied today?.

is there a point to that?.

Rattigan350

What's with the attack (counsel) on husbands with no corresponding article for wives on the Jan 2025 W that is being studied today?

Is there a point to that?

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Oral and Anal Sex flip flop? March 2025 Announcements and Reminders

by ukpimo in

just in.

a jaw dropping announcements and reminders for elders this month.

how can you serve as an elder and believe this organization is spirit directed after reading this letter?.

Rattigan350

"The Bible does not provide details as to what sexual practices between a husband and a wife should be considered clean or unclean."

The problem is that in the 1972 they said that oral sex was wrong because Paul refers to “the natural use of the female,” which some were abandoning in favor of what is “contrary to nature,” thus satisfying “disgraceful sexual appetites” and “working what is obscene.”

What makes Paul our boss? The one who says what is right or wrong? The Watchtower writers like to use the writings of the apostles because they like to have authority to lean on. That's not how it is supposed to work.

"Paragraph 9: "Being sexually demeaning. Some husbands pressure their wife to engage in sexual acts that are demeaning and that make her feel unclean or unloved.""

That again refers to oral sex as it is demeaning. See they did that without referring to Paul.