Posts by Rattigan350

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Is Belief in Jesus Enough to be Saved? Or Does it Include Believing Jesus?

by Sea Breeze in

i don't think it is possible to believe in jesus and then not believe what he said.

the purpose of the watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible.

they do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of salvation that jesus offered to ”whosoever”.. one of the stipulations for salvation is belief that jesus was raised from the dead:.

Rattigan350

"The purpose of the Watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible. They do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of Salvation that Jesus offered to ”whosoever”"

Define Watchtower Organaization?

Watchtower is a corporation and a magazine name. How can it be an organization?

Since hell is simply the state of being dead, by your statement they are trying to kill everyone.

"free gift of Salvation" - how about defining that.

As of this time only the 144,000 have been saved by their being resurrected in the first resurrection. Everyone else who has died is still in hell/hades/sheol. They will start being resurrected at Rev 20:13

As for those alive today, if we are saved, what are we saved from? Death? No, people still die.

"Jehovah’s Witnesses dutifully repeat the Watchtower opinion that Jesus was not resurrected."

No, we don't repeat the Watchtower's opinion on that.

We repeat what Peter said in 1 Peter 3:18 "He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit."

John 20:14 "she [Mary] had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus."

vs 15 "She, supposing him to be the gardener,"

So, not Jesus was not resurrected in his body. He appeared in many bodies.

John 2:19 does not mean that Jesus raised himself from the dead. If he were able to raise himself, he would not be dead. It's that simple. The dead are dead and can not raise themselves.

Acts 2:32 "This Jesus hath God raised up". Peter disagrees with you again.

"Jehovah’s Witnesses also reject the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins” that Jesus offered to “whosoever” in Mt. 26: 27–28"

No, JWs recognize that the New Covenant replaced the old covenant but the parties were the same but were changed from physical to spiritual.

Israel was changed to spiritual Israel. Human mediator Mose was changed to Jesus being mediator as spirit being.

Again Peter disagree with you in 1 Peter 2:9 he transfers the old covenant promise to the New Covenant.

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6 billion people to bury who rejected Witnesses

by Witness 007 in

so i guess the "paradise" earth is going to be stinky to the point of vomiting with 6 billion dead bodies of not witnesess.

how long would it take to bury these people?

maybe 2 years.

Rattigan350

The 60 billion resurrected ones will help.

164,383 will be raised each day and the 144,000 and Jesus will handle all of that.

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Remember using the term BORG to refer to the WTS

by blondie in

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it's interesting that when watchtower is referred to as the borg, it immediately brings to mind the scenes where individuals such as captain piccard are held prisoner within a vast collective hive type prison and unable to leave.

they are then turned into drones.

in fact here is how wikipedia explains it.. the borg are a fictional alien group that appear as recurring antagonists in the star trek franchise.

Rattigan350

No, Blondie.

The term "Borg" was used because it was a short form of Brooklyn ORGanization.

And it stuck because it fit the Borg hive mind.

But then I prefer the 3 Musketeers as they say "One for All and All for One."

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new WT rule: no holding hands durning public prayer!

by leftchica in

so i just caught a glimpse of this new wt magazine(study edition) of course.. from dec 28th titled.

"what do your prayers say about you".

so now they are focosing on every aspect of our lifes even our actions during prayer.

Rattigan350

"teaching has long been forgotten about. In fact it was forgotten about by most members only a few months after this WT was studied."

Isn't that how everything is?

What was this? 16 years ago? No one follows that since.

"Elders hold their wives' hands during prayer. Sisters who are friends hold each others' hands. "

As long as brothers don't hold each others' hands.

Link Dislike Lik"

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WT AUGUST 2025: NEW LIGHT ON HAILSTONE MESSAGE : IS IT BIBLICAL OR JUST CONVENIENT?

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/n_fttvylm-m?si=l44406ohysubkajr.

so today we are considering, the watchtower's new take on the "hailstone message", and if you don't know what that is , they used to believe that according to revelation 16:21 they would be preaching a hard hitting message during the time of the end.

now, let's read the verse first from the new world translation: "then great hailstones, each about the weight of a talent, fell from heaven on the people, and the people blasphemed god because of the plague of hail, for the plague was unusually great" now this is their new understanding as it appears from the 3rd paragraph from their new watchtower study edition for august 2025 and their article:when will the preaching work end, has this to say: "our clarified understanding of matthew 24:14 also adjusts our understanding of the hailstonelike message foretold at revelation 16:21. further examination has revealed that the two scriptures complement each other.

Rattigan350

Does it matter?

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The End of the Times of the Gentiles and the Restoration of the Kingdom

by EisMe in

the end of the times of the gentiles and the restoration of the kingdom.

the final stage of god’s plan on earth.

the fulfillment of prophecy: the end of the gentile age.

Rattigan350

"Revelation 5:10 states: "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign upon the earth." This verse suggests that those chosen by God will serve as both kings and priests, exercising authority and spiritual leadership on earth."

The word for 'upon' is EPI. That can mean on or upon or over.

What is the whole point of the kingdom of the heavens if they won't reign from the heavens?

Also, what is the point of John 14:2,3 "In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be"

That shows that Jesus is resurrected to heaven and then he cleanses the heavens (prepares a place for them). What is the point if the rulership will be established on this earth?

Well, there will be earthly rulers too, the princes.

"2 Samuel 7:12-13—"I will raise up your offspring to succeed you... and I will establish his kingdom." This implies that governance is restored on earth, just as promised to David."

That is Nathan's promise from Jehovah that David's offspring will sit on Jehovah's throne forever. That was to lead to Christ. First it was Solomon and then his descendants. One sitting on Jehovah's throne is a sovereign ruler. That Sovereignty was lost at the time of Jehoiakim when Babylon attacked and that started the times of the Gentiles until 1914. Then Jesus became king. It is obvious that it was not on earth as it was in heaven.

That promise to David wasn't about earthly or heavenly. It was just that his descendant would sit on Jehovah's throne leading to Jesus.

It's so odd that the general population thinks that they will go to heaven and they don't know why and what they will do there. And they think that Jesus is coming back to the earth but they don't know why.

This has nothing to do with the Faithful and discreet slave. They would be ruling with Jesus in heaven.

The purpose of the 144,000 going to heaven to be kings and priests with Jesus is that they have a big job.

1000 years is 365,000 days. If 60 billion people will be resurrected, then that means that 164,383 people will be resurrected each day. It is a little more than 1 person per the 144,000 each day. So they will be busy each day just judging people during the resurrection. That can't be done on earth as humans.

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2025 Convention. How to deal with PIMOs in the Congregation. Copy Jesus in the way he dealt with Satan on the MT.

by liam in

the video on apostates in the congregation and how to deal with them at the 18 minute mark.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1kssfr9/2025_convention_apostate_video/.

so by now, a lot of us have seen a clip from the "apostate" video from the 2025 convention.

Rattigan350

The problem I see is that these new Governing Body members, Jacob Ruph, is that his name? In the 80s there were Barr, Barry, Booth, Barber, Franz, Jaracz, Klein, Sydlik, Gangas, and a few others. They were in Bethel since the 1920s. 60 years. If anyone was at Bethel for 50 years that would be the 1970s. Where are the old timers?

Now these new guys are at Bethel for a few years and they get appointed.

What happened?

Listening to these new GB members does not inspired awe like listening to Sydlik and Barr and Franz did.

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2025 Convention. How to deal with PIMOs in the Congregation. Copy Jesus in the way he dealt with Satan on the MT.

by liam in

the video on apostates in the congregation and how to deal with them at the 18 minute mark.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1kssfr9/2025_convention_apostate_video/.

so by now, a lot of us have seen a clip from the "apostate" video from the 2025 convention.

Rattigan350

"they still didn’t engage with any real criticisms (like the 607 BCE doctrine, the Australian Royal Commission, the UN NGO affiliation, etc.)."

What do you expect them to engage about with those topics? 607 BCE is when the gentile times started even if Jerusalem was destroyed in 587. The ARC is in the past. Bygones.

Same with the UN NGO thing. more bygones. It is not bad to be an NGo of the UN.

"But the “apostate’s” reasoning was surprisingly grounded. He said things like “I’m keeping an open mind and finding answers to my questions,” and “How do you know it’s garbage if you haven’t even read it?”"

But what is the point in bringing those things up? Instead of sending material or links to videos, I say to just live your life like you want to.

"And here’s what’s wild: the PIMI character had no actual arguments. He just shut the conversation down and threatened to report the guy."

What was there to argue about?

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From AFriend!2025RegionalConventionVideos!

by Atlantis in

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if you wish to download these videos for "free", then click on (slow download) when you get to the site.

the entire file folder is 8 gigabytes and will take about an hour to fully download in the slow download mode.

there is not much time left.. *****************.

Rattigan350

I had to laugh.

One of the Warwick speakers is named Mike Reno.

I was born to run
I was born to dream
The craziest boy you ever seen
I gotta do it my way
Or no way at all

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From AFriend!2025RegionalConventionVideos!

by Atlantis in

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friends

if you wish to download these videos for "free", then click on (slow download) when you get to the site.

the entire file folder is 8 gigabytes and will take about an hour to fully download in the slow download mode.

there is not much time left.. *****************.

Rattigan350

Peaceful Pete: "why would recovering and former JWs want to expose themselves to hours of manipulative propaganda."

Maybe because you are the one that is labeling it manipulative propaganda and not everyone who views it.

Do you think that it is healthy to follow your labels?