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  The Debate: Do JW's Need Respect?

  by Mindchild in

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  this thread will hopefully serve as the platform for a friendly debate about the issue of how much respect the watchtower society deserves from ex-jehovah's witnesses.

  do we blast the hell out of the borg and don't let a kind word in edgewise?

  do we acknowledge that they have done some things right and (shudder) even good?

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  tyydyy

  The prosecution has shown some evidence of a disproportionate percentage of WTS members with psychological problems. The defense will not dispute that assertion. But does the presence of mental illness prove that the WTS was the cause of this illness or does it show that the WTS attracts people who (as we pointed out earlier) have these problems already?
  

  The present study of 50 Jehovah's Witnesses admitted to the Mental Health Service facilities of Western Australia suggests that members of this section of the community are more likely to be admitted to a psychiatric hospital than the general population

  I propose that the sampling of this study was not large enough to give an accurate result. (Please see the additional comments from Larc)

  The doctrines of the WTS can cause stress and subsequently mental illness. No doubt about it. The lifestyle that they promote is vastly different from the general society that we live in. Does this make them evil. Not in itself. Our everyday careers cause much stress and mental illness. Our relationships can cause mental illness. (just ask anyone who is married. They'll tell you that their mate is crazy without admitting that they made them that way.)

  TimB

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  The Debate: Do JW's Need Respect?

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this thread will hopefully serve as the platform for a friendly debate about the issue of how much respect the watchtower society deserves from ex-jehovah's witnesses.

  do we blast the hell out of the borg and don't let a kind word in edgewise?

  do we acknowledge that they have done some things right and (shudder) even good?

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  tyydyy

  Tyydyy's opening statement:

  It is the stand of the defense that although the Witnesses (hereafter referred to as WTS) have some doctrines that we see as damaging to the rank and file and their families, we cannot arbitrarily dismiss the positive affects this religion has had on our society and the individual lives of some who chose to exercise their constitutional rights and follow this lifestyle. It is easy to point out many examples of wrongdoing by members when you have 6 million but should the doctrines and practices of the WTS cause us to withhold all respect for them? It is our contention that there is still sufficient evidence to suggest that they do deserve respect at least equal to the other religions that our constitution protects. Our personal beliefs tend to reduce our tollerance of others beliefs and values.

  While I cannot defend the accuracy of the WTS doctrines. I will attempt to defend their right to exist and continue to teach their doctrines while coexisting with respect in our society. (whew....this is going to be tough)

  I will attempt to show that the WTS gives the same respect that any religion gives to others. In fact they are much more tollerant of other lifestyles while not approving of them.

  I will attempt to show that the WTS has some postive influences on our society that deserve our acknowledgement and earns them some respect.

  TimB
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  The Debate: Do JW's Need Respect?

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this thread will hopefully serve as the platform for a friendly debate about the issue of how much respect the watchtower society deserves from ex-jehovah's witnesses.

  do we blast the hell out of the borg and don't let a kind word in edgewise?

  do we acknowledge that they have done some things right and (shudder) even good?

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  tyydyy

  Sorry Your Honor,
  I didn't mean to distract from the proceeding which you are conducting so well.

  TimB
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  The Debate: Do JW's Need Respect?

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this thread will hopefully serve as the platform for a friendly debate about the issue of how much respect the watchtower society deserves from ex-jehovah's witnesses.

  do we blast the hell out of the borg and don't let a kind word in edgewise?

  do we acknowledge that they have done some things right and (shudder) even good?

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  tyydyy

  On the other hand, individuals who actively participate in the organization are by necessity linked with the overall consequences of their participation.

  I must ask this question. Does their actual knowledge, or lack of knowledge, of the organizations bad qualities affect their culpability?
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  The Debate: Do JW's Need Respect?

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this thread will hopefully serve as the platform for a friendly debate about the issue of how much respect the watchtower society deserves from ex-jehovah's witnesses.

  do we blast the hell out of the borg and don't let a kind word in edgewise?

  do we acknowledge that they have done some things right and (shudder) even good?

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  tyydyy

  Your Honor,

  I need a sidebar....(whispering) "sorry about the robe thing. I was just trying to find out if it's true that judges don't wear anything under their robes."

  TimB
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  The Debate: Do JW's Need Respect?

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this thread will hopefully serve as the platform for a friendly debate about the issue of how much respect the watchtower society deserves from ex-jehovah's witnesses.

  do we blast the hell out of the borg and don't let a kind word in edgewise?

  do we acknowledge that they have done some things right and (shudder) even good?

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  tyydyy

  Does the Religion itself deserve respect?
  I do accept the definition of respect submitted. Only I would like to add "the acknowledgement of the positive effects the person or group has had on others".

  We need to look at the good that the religion does as well as the bad. In the process, we need to keep in mind that every organization has bad in it. At what point does the bad in an organization justify withholding respect?

  Before we begin looking at the Witnesses, let's keep in mind that there are many organizations that do many good things for people but are still involved in scandals concerning how people are treated, how the money is handled and the ethics/motives of the leaders. Some that come to mind are, The Salvation Army, The United Way, Unicef, The Red Cross...etc. Do we withhold our respect from these organizations and ignore the good that they do because there is some corruption? That of course is a personal decision but most people respect these organizations for the good that they are attempting to do in spite of the controversy.

  Now for the Witnesses. What good have they done as a Religion.

  The witnesses provide hope for people who have given up on other religions and themselves. They give them hope for a new way of life, new respect, and new friends. Is this bad. Yes and No. No, because this hope enables many to raise themselves from the criminal lifestyle they felt mired in. It gives those suffering from depression the power to leave their own home to be with like minded people.
  The witnesses have exposed the hypocracy of many other religions and governments in the process of trying to make themselves look good.
  They do help others in times of disasters. Do they exagerate their efforts when reporting? Yes, but some good is done in the meantime.
  They brought us all more personal freedom in the US because of their fights in the courts in the early and mid 1900's.
  They arguably teach good family values. At least when the children are preteen. It is arguable because each individual has a different idea about what they value in a family.

  I'll take a break here and let the prosecution rebutt. (Plus I need a cigarette break)

  TimB
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  The Debate: Do JW's Need Respect?

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this thread will hopefully serve as the platform for a friendly debate about the issue of how much respect the watchtower society deserves from ex-jehovah's witnesses.

  do we blast the hell out of the borg and don't let a kind word in edgewise?

  do we acknowledge that they have done some things right and (shudder) even good?

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  tyydyy

  Sorry I'm late for this debate but.....You don't really want to hear why do you?? Ok

  Do the Witnesses deserve respect? First of all we have to break this question down. There is really more than one question here.

  1) Do the rank and file members of the JW's deserve respect?
  2) Do the Elders deserve respect?
  3) Do the Worldwide organizational leaders (Governing Body and Traveling Overseers) deserve respect?
  4) Does the Religion itself deserve Respect?

  Is that fair enough to start with?

  TimB
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  I challenge Joelbear to a DUEL

  by Mindchild in

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  mindchild vs. joelbear.

  aka skipper aka joel.

  in the view of jurors of the grand jury of participants of simons board, within the website of jehovahswitnesses.com, hereby one mindchild summons one joelbear, on or about, henceforth, the date of this post, to a duel of competing paradigms.

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  tyydyy

  Sounds great! I look forward to it.

  TimB
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  I challenge Joelbear to a DUEL

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  mindchild vs. joelbear.

  aka skipper aka joel.

  in the view of jurors of the grand jury of participants of simons board, within the website of jehovahswitnesses.com, hereby one mindchild summons one joelbear, on or about, henceforth, the date of this post, to a duel of competing paradigms.

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  tyydyy

  LOL, Ok Mindchild. I will take the challenge but I will not champion the WTS. I will play devils advocate for the large group of honest, hardworking, beautiful people that are still captives of this cult. I can easily do so since my family is still in the cult. I do not think my family is evil, either individually or as a whole.

  I will be happy to discuss this but not on this thread. Please start another thread that does not imply a flame war. I do have to leave the house for a few hrs so I won't be able to respond for a while.

  I do like the idea of this discussion. Let's get it on!

  What happens when a Mac truck hits a Concrete wall? :)

  TimB
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  I challenge Joelbear to a DUEL

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  mindchild vs. joelbear.

  aka skipper aka joel.

  in the view of jurors of the grand jury of participants of simons board, within the website of jehovahswitnesses.com, hereby one mindchild summons one joelbear, on or about, henceforth, the date of this post, to a duel of competing paradigms.

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  tyydyy

  Mindchild,
  I get the feeling that you are confused....
  

  this is not about you personally at all.

  Topic: I challenge Joelbear to a DUEL