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  You atheist really annoyed me

  by confusedandalone in

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  when i first came to this site.

  whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

  talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

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  EdenOne

  If atheists would discuss things with theists in terms of "You believe in something for which there is no lab-tested empirical evidence of, therefore, your belief lacks scientific support ..." but they don't. Often the case is of "You're a poor deluded ignorant for believing in such a fabrication called [deity's name]". That's where the discussion derails. Many atheists (not all, sure) look down on believers, because they consider them intellectually challenged somehow and, having rationallity as their own criteria, judge the theists as little children with underdevelopted rational abilities who need to be saved from their delusions of God.

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  You atheist really annoyed me

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
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  when i first came to this site.

  whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

  talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

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  EdenOne

  Posting with a lot of difficulty as my pupils have been dilated due to an urgency medical procedure, but here goes, sorry for mistakes:

  [atheists] do not claim to know the absolute 'truth'

  I can't remember who posted this about two pages ago, but I must disagree. While this is true when atheists are talking about scientific knowledge - it's actually a premise that such knowledge is never complete - atheists often claim that God's inexistence is a definite and absolute truth. And they can be just as dogmatic and fundamentlst and proselyting about that notion just as any radical theist.

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  What's your Myers-Briggs?

  by Londo111 in

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  i am infp.. some former witnesses in my hometown had a meetup last night...alas, only four of us.

  but it turned out we had an infp(me), two infjs, and an enfp.

  therefore, it turned out we were all idealists.

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  INTP here. I also find personality tests fun, and the results of this one, at least in my case, are fairly accurate.

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  When did the Last Days start in the first century

  by wizzstick in

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  i've been reading coc and rf highlights that luke 21:28 says: "but as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near.".

  i'm thinking on how no one who saw the start of these things is alive from 1914. as a comparison point, does anyone know when the wt suggests the last days started in the first century?.

  was it when jesus said the above?.

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  EdenOne

  My belief is that the "last days" started as soon as Jesus went back to heavens. When the pouring of the Holy Spirit took place in Pentecost 33 CE, Peter quoted Joel 2:28, that speaks of the "last days" and told the crowd gathered that what just happenned was the fulfillment of that prophecy. Hence, the "last days" stretched from 33 CE until 70 CE, about 37 years, which, by the way, accomodates comfortably the notion of a "generation".

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  You atheist really annoyed me

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i first came to this site.

  whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

  talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

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  EdenOne

  Still thinking,

  I made that remark based on FlyingHighNow's post on page 1 of this thread, that read in part:

  2. Witnesses can lack manners and tact when expressing their beliefs. They can speak to others of differing beliefs as if the others are idiots. When some of them leave, they carry that kind of approach with them.

  Then slimboy and Cofty went into an exchange of words regarding the paths taken after leaving JW's. Then I make my comment regarding FHN's post, which I believed illustrated the point as observed in the previous exchange of words. I didn't point my finger at any individual in particular, which is what ad hominem attack would be. Cofty took it personally, but for example Cantleave, another participant on this thread who chose atheism, didn't.

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  You atheist really annoyed me

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i first came to this site.

  whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

  talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

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  EdenOne

  Well, I have no "method", sorry to say. I just publish the result of what I research. I've extended invitations for external collaborations already, even with people that I know who don't always agree with me, but whose research I have respect for. I wasn't the one who brought my website into this discussion to start with, remember?

  I really don't want to turn this into a personal argueing made in public either, so i stop here, Cofty.

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  You atheist really annoyed me

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i first came to this site.

  whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

  talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

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  EdenOne

  Sure, Cofty.

  This from the man who is busy starting a new religion that is 99.9% JW theology.

  In another thread a week ago you made the same false blanket statement and i took the effort to counter your remarks one by one.

  Not only your statement about the quantity of 'JW theology' isn't an innocent innacurate remark - it's an attempt to bind my beliefs to the Watchtower, with an implication that I'm a WT apologist, which, as you well know, is very disliked around here; then you state that I'm 'busy' starting a 'new religion' - when it's perfectly stated in the website's mission statement that 'this is a bible study group that cannot offer religious services and doesn't require interested ones to leave their current churches in order to participate'. And then you attribute that specifically to "the man who...". If this isn't an ad hominem attack, then please enlighten me of what is one.

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  You atheist really annoyed me

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i first came to this site.

  whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

  talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

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  Simon, if that's the case, then we have a stand-off at best.

  Science cannot prove that God is inexistent ; Theism cannot prove that God exists.

  Therefore I would also say that atheism also relies on an impossibility of proving a negative as well. I feel that agnosticism and apatheism make a lot more sense than atheism.

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  You atheist really annoyed me

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i first came to this site.

  whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

  talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

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  EdenOne

  You forget to mention an important detail:

  There was no creation [in the young earth sense] ..... you fail to mention that there are other views about the subject among theists. Blanket statement again.

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  You atheist really annoyed me

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i first came to this site.

  whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.

  talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.

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  EdenOne

  I learned in Law that the burden of evidence is on the side of the accusation, not on the side of the defense. If science admits that the existence of God cannot be disproved, why should theists be sweating to prove atheists wrong?

  If you attack ideas rather than people, then why does it often sound like you're attacking the bearer of the ideas? For example, why did you resort to an ad hominem attack on me and my website when I posted a comment on this thread regarding how some former JWs turned atheists still carry some traits from JW's?

  Eden