Posts by EdenOne

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

EdenOne

Romans 9:22 - shows that God is willing to show his destructive power, but has refrained to so do because he has been showing mercy towards those pursuit the hope he gives. Romans 2:4 shows that God does so in order to allow people to reach repentance. So, yes, I do believe that God is refraining from interfeering. Why he has interfeered in the pre-christian past? I have a few guesses, but - correct me if I'm wrong on this one - I don't see God expressly saving people from natural disasters except when he was the one causing them, therefore, in control of such events.

Btw, this

How did the 250 000 victims of the tsunami choose to be killed on 26th Dec 2004?

is an abominable fallacy and doesn't deserve an answer. It's bellow you, Cofty, and you know it. Stop being obtuse.

Eden

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

EdenOne

Thanks for the free publicity, Cofty

Now, would you care to demonstrate how what is written in the website about God's Holy Spirit is contradictory with what I wrote about God refraining from interveining?

While your question #1 is a fair one, your #2 is a despicable fallacy.

Eden

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Head of the House?

by cofty in

i often see comments by ex-jws that would suggest some men still view themselves as "head of the house".

sometimes comments from women appear to support the idea as well.. how many still see things this way or have you completely got over it?.

EdenOne

" I have no issues with letting my wife get her way if I agree that's beneficial " - - Cofty

I suppose you keep your mouth shut if you see your wife doing something that's not for the benefit of the household, then. Let me know how that works out for both of you.

Btw, since you don't know what psychological issues affect my partner's permanent capacity for sound judgement, you better not ask what I'm afraid of.

Eden

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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

by EdenOne in

in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

but i'm interested in hearing yours.

EdenOne

I also point out that, even in the days of the kingdom and priesthood of Israel, God was using prophets - not the structured "organization" - as God's communication channel. Even when the leadership was faithful. As in the days of King Josiah and high priest Hilkiah (prophetess Hulda and Jeremiah) and later with prophet Zachariah (Governor Zerubbabel and High Priest Joshua)

Eden

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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

by EdenOne in

in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

but i'm interested in hearing yours.

EdenOne

Great point, besty!

Eden

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

EdenOne

John McEnroe? Why?

Oh, and if this troubles you:

I can only conclude what the Bible allows me to conclude.

There, i've fixed it for you.

I can only conclude what the Bible allows me to conclude.

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The Three Magi and their modern antitype ;)

by processor in

http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2012/01/the-three-magi-and-their-modern-antitype/.

the three magi and their modern antitypeeveryone knows the story of the three magi who travelled a long way to pay homage to baby jesus two thousand years ago.

the same feature unfulfilled prophecies characterizes the anointed christians from brooklyn as the antitypical astrologers.

EdenOne

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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

by EdenOne in

in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

but i'm interested in hearing yours.

EdenOne

In a recent meeting with Elders, an argument was used to the effect that Jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the WTS must be that organization today, since God must be using one. Naturally, I know what arguments I've used to counter that argument. But I'm interested in hearing yours. Has God "always" used an organization? Must he use an organization? Does he need one?

(Don't waste your time trying to prove that the WTS isn't God's organization, that's not the main point here)

Eden

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Head of the House?

by cofty in

i often see comments by ex-jws that would suggest some men still view themselves as "head of the house".

sometimes comments from women appear to support the idea as well.. how many still see things this way or have you completely got over it?.

EdenOne

I have no issues with letting my wife get her way if I agree that's beneficial; She does the same towards me. And we negociate a lot. The "headship" issue isn't an issue to us.

Eden

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

EdenOne

doofdaddy,

I'm sure that the subtle sarcasm of my comment to cofty hasn't escaped you...?

I can only conclude what the Bible allows me to conclude. Jesus promised that God would give his spirit to whomever asked for it. That's what I ask for. And I thank him for the food, yes, although I have no proof that He is miraculously puting food on my table. I'm grateful, there's nothing hypocrite about gratitude. Go ahead and ridicule it if you like, as Cofty does. But there's so much that I simply don't know about God, that I don't want to risk being a proud cock and fail to show some gratitude for him.

For example, I can be grateful that my government has established and keeps running a public heath care system. Do any of the politicians in the government even know who I am? No. (Ermm, I actually do know a couple of them..., but that's beyond the point) Do they care that I am but a number in their system? Probably not, unless those who would know me personally. Do they personally attend to my health issues? No. Yet, I can be correctly grateful that such a system is in place. I pay my share in taxes to support it, but I am sure that I've benefited more from the system than I actually contributed into it. So, why not feel grateful?

Eden