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  Newcomers to TTATT: Beware of "New Study Mode"!

  by Londo111 in

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  weve all heard it.

  a person starts studying with jehovahs witnesses and love what they are learning so much that they cant stop talking about it.

  bubbling with enthusiasm, they spill everything they are learning with their friends and family...or anybody who will listen.

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  My own significant other went to the elders on my back to out me as an "apostate", because she honestly thought she was "helping" me...

  So yes ... beware of your enthusiasm.

  Eden
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  Lies taught by the GB about ....Life, Worldy people & apostates

  by williamhconley in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the governing body not only lies to it's members about their true history but also about life itself, worldly people and former members.. here are some of those lies that come to my mind.. .

  "jw's are the happiest people on earth" -.

  fact: depression, anxiety, fear of punishment, paranoia, is what jw's live with every day.

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  Great post to summarize the typical misinformation promoted by the WTS.

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  Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

  by Juan Viejo2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

  he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

  i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

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  Let me add to The speculation a bit:

  Many of us have been following The recent global trend for consolidation within The WTS. The obvious question has been: Where is All The money going into?

  Well, I think The OP may hint towards a possible answer: The GB is trying to put in motion a global downsizing of the staff under their direct care / payroll. There will be dozens of thousands of 'full time ministers' - Bethel Workers, Circuit And District Overseers, Special Pioneers, Missionaries - people who gave up their careers And education to serve the advance of the 'Kingdom Interests' (read: Watchtower's Interests) and now find themselves among The surplus about to be discarded by The Society. Most among these have no hope of finding a paying job, much less a carreer. They're too old for the labor market, And they still have some lenght of life to live. If the Watchtower Society would simply kick them to the curb, the outrage outcry And bad press would be enormous. What to do?

  I believe The WTS has quietly been building a private fund to (as cheaply as possibly) compensate the dismissal from duty from those many thousands of redundant full time ministers. In some cases, that means acting much like a private pension fund that will provide them with a lifetime pension whenever The state / family / congregation will not provide. Surely it will be called a "loving provision from Jehovah". I'm not even surprised if at some point the remaining "full time ministers" will be regular employees of The WTS, entitled to a private pension fund provided by The Society. Perhaps in time there will be a full-time, PAID, congregational servant / overseer.

  Consolitating The public editions of Watchtower And Awake magazines into one single monthly edition with a new name makes every sense from a rebranding point of view. Will we be seeing JW.ORG Magazine edited soon ?

  Also, expanding The GB to 12 members will make The decision-making process quicker, because it's easier to get 2/3 (8-4) votes to unlock a decision, that to get around a 6-2 voting as it currently stands; i.e. Currently a minority of 3 can block a majority of 5; with a GB of 12 it would take a minority of 5 to block a majority of 7.

  Eden

  (Sorry for The poor formatting. My new Ipad is working against me)
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  THE TWO BABYLONS as a template for Watch Tower dishonesty in history

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  proof isn't proof at the watchtower.

  "proof" is a reconstruction like frankenstein's monster kept alive by flashes of "new light" made up as needed to revitalize a quivering monstrosity.. at first glimpse it looks like science.

  when the smoke clears it is madness and obsession riven with fierce contrarian nincompoopery.. ****.

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  It's a different thing to say that C.T. Russell and Rutherford and F.W.Franz BORROWED ideas and concepts from "The Two Babylons" and helped to promote the book as secular "scholar" support for their ideas. That I can agree with, and I think it's quite obvious that happened that way.

  Naturally, the WTS never admits that the "new light" is borrowed straight from a secular author; it's always "spirit-directed" enlightenment; "further research", they say - as if there was any form of established in-house scholarly expertise in these areas in Bethel.

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  THE TWO BABYLONS as a template for Watch Tower dishonesty in history

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  proof isn't proof at the watchtower.

  "proof" is a reconstruction like frankenstein's monster kept alive by flashes of "new light" made up as needed to revitalize a quivering monstrosity.. at first glimpse it looks like science.

  when the smoke clears it is madness and obsession riven with fierce contrarian nincompoopery.. ****.

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  Alexander Hislop published the book "The Two Babylons" in 1858 and died in 1865.

  Since the WTS was incorporated in 1879, how could he have promoted his book through the WTS?

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  THE TWO BABYLONS as a template for Watch Tower dishonesty in history

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  proof isn't proof at the watchtower.

  "proof" is a reconstruction like frankenstein's monster kept alive by flashes of "new light" made up as needed to revitalize a quivering monstrosity.. at first glimpse it looks like science.

  when the smoke clears it is madness and obsession riven with fierce contrarian nincompoopery.. ****.

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  marked ...great post, terry.

  My sister has a copy of Hislop's "The Two babylons". Apparently in the late 1970's it could be ordered at the counter of the KH as a "special item". that's how she got it back then.

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  Israel National News reports a most amazing story about JWs

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. friends

  http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/flash.aspx/288677#.ux9165ao7l9.

  court rejects missionary lawsuit against netanya schools for voiding leasethe tel aviv magistrates court has rejected a claim by a missionary group, saying that the school they had been renting space in unlawfully voided their contract , and asking the court to instruct the school to pay nis 108,000 in compensation and mental anguish, as well as legal expenses.. it began when a missionary group, via a non-profit organization called "mitzpe l'yisrael", rented space at the raziel school in netanya to conduct daily afternoon activities.

  shortly after signing the rental agreement , the school authorities discovered that the group was, in reality, the notorious missionary sect of "jehovah's witnesses".

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  I don't get this:

  What they did was illegal? Tactics' ethics aside, how come they don't benefit from the protection of the law? Why should anyone rejoice with that?

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  Bible is inspired of God??????

  by Crazyguy in

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  is there anything in the bible that makes you believe that some or all the writings in the bible are inspired from god?.

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  With the exception of the prophets, none of the writers of the Bible had any concept that what they were writing was "inspired of God". Not even the NT writers, such as the apostle Paul. The more you investigate the Bible, the more you realize that it's a collection of texts that were gathered together in an anthology, most of then heavily redacted in later times to suit a specific religious agenda. I doubt that God ever intended to produce a "Bible" as we have it today.

  For example, ask yourself: What did Paul considered "All Scripture" in his day? Evidence is available that the Christians in the days of Paul were using the OT Septuagint. What is included in the Septuagint? The OT apocrypha. There are several references in the NT to texts in the OT apocrypha. The decision to leave out those texts out of the Jewish Cannon was taken only towards the end of the 1st century; the decision to leave them out of the Christian Cannon was taken only in the 4th century; and the decision to leave them out of the Bible entirely was taken by Martin Luther in the 16th century.

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  The Untold Story of Creation

  by mynameislame in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  posted on behalf of jon p. .

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201403/untold-story-of-creation/.

  i don't find the article itself very compelling but it seems to be opening up the possibility that a creative day is not a specific time period.

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  I think the account of Creation in Genesis is given in 6 + 1 days only to justify two things:

  a) Why the week is divided in 7 days; and

  b) Why the sabbath is supposed to be a day of rest (= because God also rested on the 7th day)

  That's all there is to it.

  I'm not saying that the natural world isn't the product of at least some form of creative work; but just not in the way is portrayed in Genesis.

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  Letting JESUS refute the Watch Tower blood policies

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  letting jesus refute the watch tower blood policies.

  the watch tower bible and tract society represent itself as christian.. it represents its theology and policies as direct from jehovah god through his son, jesus christ.. further, the governing body of this corporation interposes itself between the mediator, jesus, and the rest of jehovah's (christian) witnesses for the purpose of "feeding them (spiritual) food at the proper time.. the official word of jesus christ is represented in the watch tower's policy on blood transfusions.. in 1998 this statement was made:.

  jehovah's witnesses do not accept whole blood, or major components of blood, namely, red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets and plasma.

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  Terry, what is the source of the information about the several versions of the book of Acts, and the "Western Text", please? Thanks,

  Eden