Posts by EdenOne

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WT SOCIETY IS WRONG ON BLOOD

by Vinny in

still not sure the jw's are wrong on blood?.

still not sure the jw's are wrong on blood?

i think it's wonderful that be all posses creative power of thought, and i think this form of creative manifestation comes most commonley in the form of arts.so many posters have mentiond they are writing a book, but i bet some of you create music or make a wonderful soup.. i ask this because i was reading my old school reports and my art teacher wrote " michael is the post constructive, imaginative pupil i have ever had.

his enthusiasm wonders a bit but on the whole an excellent pupil" ....sadly i think if that statement was true i have rather let my self down with my artistic expression.

still it's never to late and i intend to involve myself in my art again this summer..

EdenOne

Being "in" never stopped me from creating music. It has, however, stopped me from pursuing a musical career. Which might have turned out to be for the best.

Eden

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JW.ORG to be the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14

by donuthole in

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the organization is shifting away from printed literature in favor of their new jw.org website.

the website contains content that is not printed in literature.

kiosks, trolleys, and storefronts are being used to showcase the website.

EdenOne

Donuthole, your theory isn't all that far-fetched.

While Blondie makes a valid point that there's a significant portion of the world's population that still has no access to the internet, let alone owning a computer, a tablet or a smartphone, that picture is rapidly changing. Even poor third-world countries are investing heavily in wireless, mobile internet technology, skipping the copper telephone lines stage. It won't take many years until the portion of info-excluded people in the world (including elderly people in developed countries) will become fringe.

I don't think it's all too impossible that the WTS deems "fulfilled" Matthew 24:14 based on the awareness of the JW.ORG website, and begins to downplay the relevance of the door-to-door witnessing. Even them aren't that stupid to not realize how ineffective it has become in the modern world. However, there may be a continuous push for conducting bible studies on a personal basis (or using video-conference), therefore the world-wide "educational work" will continue, and the hours spent in evangelizing will still be used as reference to evaluate the spiritual progress of the JW's.

Eden

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A precious gift to all from Jehovah (channelled via Focus)

by Focus in

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some souls here may feel i was a little harsh.

if so, i am deeply sorry.

i was abused by a handful right from the start, presumably on the basis of the avatar picture (and 2001 vintage).. when visiting dubland, i often find that others start fights with me - for whatever reason, and i provide quite a supply of them - and when it doesn't quite go the way they expected, they cry persecution.

EdenOne

Given the definition of "apostate", I don't think Focus qualifies as "apostate" from the WTS, or from christianity, since, as he explained, from his inception, he has been an atheist. Anti-WTS, anti-theist, for sure.

The "Great Crowd" will materialise as if by magic when they realize there is money - perhaps a lot - to be obtained by participation in as-risk-free-as-it-can-get litigation.

I disagree with your acessment of the situation in this case. Most ex-JW people want the WTS down, even through finantial asphixiation, but they don't want to collect any profit out of it.

Eden

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Entertainment for International Delegates

by Listener in

bibl3thumper has posted a youtube of the celebrations that took place for german delegates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvs6_q7rqps&feature=em-subs_digest.

it's hard to believe that they are now using the kingdom hall to sing pop songs and for dancing.

EdenOne

Oh, the irony!

I was looking up the lyrics for Van Morrison's "Kingdom Hall; they go like this:

So glad to see you
So glad you're here
Come here beside me now
We can clear inhibition away
All inhibitions
Throw them away
And when we dance like this
Like we've never been dancin' before

Chorus:
Oh, they were swingin'
Down at Kingdom Hall
Oh, bells were ringin'
Down at the Kingdom Hall
A choir was singin'
Down at the Kingdom Hall
Hey, liley, liley, liley
Hey, liley, liley, low
Do do do do do do, do
Do do do do do do
Do do do do do do, do
Do do do do do do

Good body music
Brings you right here
Free flowin' motion now
When we're shakin' it out on the floor
Good rockin' music
Down in your shoes
And when we dance like this
Like we've never been dancin' before

Repeat Chorus

Down at the Kingdom Hall
They were havin' a party
They were havin' a ball
Bells were ringing out
And the choir was singin'
Hey, liley, liley, liley
Hey, liley, liley, low
Do do, do do, do do, do do
Sugar was there
Did you see Sugar
Down at the Kingdom Hall

__________________________

Then I looked down at the comments section, and I found this gem:

Everyone sings at the Kingdom Halls | Reviewer: Ben | 6/12/08

No one dances in the aisles. The meetings are for worship and learning. The songs sung are to praise Jehovah God. So don't let this song mislead you about what goes on at any of the Kingdom Halls. Come and see for yourself that the song by Van Morrison is not absolutely correct and that what is taught at the Kingdom Hall is the Truth from the Bible. You will be amazed that what you will learn from Jehovah's Witnesses at the Kingdom Hall will save your life. Your eyes will be opened to the Truth from God's word the Bible. You'll be telling your loved ones and others about what you have learned.

For a preview of Bible truths that you will learn about go to this website: www.watchtower.org

Read the New World Translation of the Bible online here too.

Ben

I wonder if "Ben" could look at the video of the OP, what would he be saying now? Oh, the irony.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Kingdom-Hall-lyrics-Van-Morrison/9C4033EC413D4B0248256A3400081326

Eden

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Entertainment for International Delegates

by Listener in

bibl3thumper has posted a youtube of the celebrations that took place for german delegates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvs6_q7rqps&feature=em-subs_digest.

it's hard to believe that they are now using the kingdom hall to sing pop songs and for dancing.

EdenOne

Van Morrison's "Kingdom Hall" (Wavelenght , 1978)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIs3Cp2BQX8

Little trivia from Wiki: " The songs on this album recall various stages of Morrison's life. "Kingdom Hall" reflected back to his childhood in Belfast when he attended services with his mother, a practicing Jehovah's Witness at one time."

Eden

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

EdenOne

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

EdenOne

People of average or better intelligence usually have no difficulty grasping what I write. They sure may not like it, but they do grasp it.

Fallacy of Ridicule. Typical tactic of an intellectual bully.

Go and get a broad education, preferably in the hard sciences, get a Ph.D. or two, first class degrees throughout, qualify in a couple of exacting professions, spend a lifetime in reading and deep thinking on a wide variety of subjects, and then come back.

In what way acquiring the education you propose will ensure that someone will be less prone into buying into bullshit? Looking at your diatribes, it's hard not to conclude that you love buying into your own streak of bullshit. And, in what way having a lesser degree of education than the one you've suggested, or even a different type of education [say, in social sciences, for example], will cause someone to be unable to see through the WTS bullshit? To assume that someone cannot possibly reach sound conclusions unless they have the same academic input that some [i.e. you] have, is a fallacy known as Bulverism. You sure push the envelope on that particular one.

It matters little how big your contribution to the debunking of the WTS mythology has been in the past. We get it: You're a rabid opponent to the WTS, and I'm sure you have many valid reasons, even personal ones for that. And surely there's a great deal of merit in your well-intended efforts. The man-hours you've put into it - if indeed you can provide evidence that you're the one who produced them in the first place, and I won't challenge that you have - have possibly served many into making an informed decision to leave the cult are surely appreciated. Thank you.

But, having said that, you come across as a rabid lunatic troll. (Mind you, there are intellectualy brilliant lunatics). You want others to bow down to you as the uber-nemesis of the Governing Body. You will fail. And I will tell you why: You're uncapable of generating empathy. You naturally alienate everyone who doesn't lick your intellectual boots. I suspect that it matters little to you; people of your type thrive on confrontation. I've dealt with many in the past, and it's exhausting. They usually can win a debate simply by getting their opponents tired with their unstoppable verborhea. That's why this is the first and last time I will engage you. You have never experienced what it is to be one of the Jehovah's Witnesses. You haven't experienced yourself the emotional trauma, the overcoming of the doubts, the emotional rollercoaster of abandoning what we once considered "the truth"; you have never experienced the subtle cohertion of the peer pressure inside the Witnesses; You have never experienced the dreading fear of sitting before a Judicial Comittee. You have never experienced embracing the hope of an eternal life on earth (delusional as it may be), and then waking up from such sweet hope. You never experienced the love bombing in a time of emotional vulnerability, and later the loss of family and friends due to shunning. All the good and bad things of the experience of being one of the Jehovah's Witnesses - and then leaving - you have never experienced them in the flesh. If much, through others close to you, you may observe and vicariously experience it, but that's not the same, no, not at all.

So please, excuse us if many of us here don't care much for your achievements. The thing is: Unquestionably, you make many good points about the WTS. Kudos to you, you've figured the WTS out. Many here have achieved the exact same results without needing a Phd. Therefore, your self-aggrandizing, self-serving ramblings, do much more harm to the ex-JW cause than any good. And for that, you're NOT welcome.

Eden

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The INTJ Personality Type, (and those close to it)

by done4good in

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i am compelled to write a bit about this at this late hour here in the us, because it is keeping me up.. the recent four year old thread on the briggs myers personality type test that was dug up, produced an interesting finding.

many here, (at least tested informally for), the intj personality type.

intjs also do not understand irrational behavior particularly well at all.. why does this matter?

EdenOne

INTP here, tested 3 times over the course of 2 years ... nearly identical results everytime.

Eden

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What's missing from this list of technologies used by JWs

by scotoma in

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friends

this topic has been discussed before but it is interesting to look at it in the light of the new book god's kingdom rules.. 1903 news paper sermons.

1914 photo drama of creation.

1922 radio.

EdenOne

You forgot to mention MEPS - the multi-lingual composer/printing software.

Eden