Caedes,
I suppose that SOME fundamentalists (especially those in leadership positions) are well aware and thus well able to articulate what the arguments against their belifs are about. But they deliberatedly choose to ignore, obfuscate and conceal those arguments. Those outside the leadership simply follow suit without questioning. But both are fundamentalist, I think.
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i've just finished reading two (imo) great books:.
"a history of christianity - the first three thousand years", by diarmaid macculloch.
"misquoting jesus", by bart ehrman.
I've just finished reading two (imo) great books:
"A History of Christianity - The First Three Thousand Years", by Diarmaid MacCulloch
"Misquoting Jesus", by Bart Ehrman
I've purchased now another four:
"Jesus, Interrupted" and "Lost Christianities", by Bart Ehrman
"The Jesus Dinasty" and "Paul And Jesus", by James D. Tabor
Have you read any of these? What are your thoughts? Can you recommend other works about the historical Jesus, early christianity(ies) and the formation of the Bible canon?
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They forget how Jesus gave as an example to follow that widow that persisted in demanding justice from a judge, until justice was finally granted to her. (Luke 18:1-8) She didn't 'wait on Jehovah' in quiet, reverent silence before the "superior authority" appointed by God's agency. She felt the injustice and spoke up and was vocal about defending her rights.
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tell them this:.
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Mary, coincidently, I've posted a meme with that quote on another thread today...
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hopefully it will make them think.. .
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It's in the second and third paragraphs.
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hopefully it will make them think.. .
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skin wrote:
Since the average JW is not able to verify this statement from the 1969 Awake, it is easier to dismiss this it as a lie, and then forget about it.
I suppose this scan proves it's not a fabricated quote?
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tell them this:.
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Tell them THIS:
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hopefully it will make them think.. .
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LOL undercover. You may well be right on that one :P
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from the u.k independent newspaper :.
" the theories of evolution and the big bang are real and god is not a magician with a magic wand, pope francis has declared.. speaking at the pontifical academy of sciences, the pope made comments which experts said put an end to the pseudo theories of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, benedict xvi.. francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator arguing instead that they require it.. when we read about creation in genesis, we run the risk of imagining god was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything.
but that is not so, francis said.. he added: he created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment.. the big bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.. evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.. the catholic church has long had a reputation for being anti-science most famously when galileo faced the inquisition and was forced to retract his heretic theory that the earth revolved around the sun.. but pope franciss comments were more in keeping with the progressive work of pope pius xii, who opened the door to the idea of evolution and actively welcomed the big bang theory.
