ask a witness what seems like a simple bible question: "nine verses in the bible tell us that jesus is going to judge the living and the dead.
(john 5:28,29, acts 10:42, acts 17:31, romans 14:9, 2 cor.
5:10, 2 tim.
The context of Romans 6:7 is that Paul is likening Christiam baptism to a symbolic "death" [the baptismal water where the baptized is submerged is symbolic of the grave burial]. So, when someone is baptized, he 'dies' and his sins are therefore acquited. In Paul's theology, it's BAPTISM that erases sins, not someone's own physical death. Of course, that's at odds with what the apostle Peter taught about baptism and sin ... but of course the JW's won't admit there's a contradiction.
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Caedes,
I suppose that SOME fundamentalists (especially those in leadership positions) are well aware and thus well able to articulate what the arguments against their belifs are about. But they deliberatedly choose to ignore, obfuscate and conceal those arguments. Those outside the leadership simply follow suit without questioning. But both are fundamentalist, I think.
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i've just finished reading two (imo) great books:.
"a history of christianity - the first three thousand years", by diarmaid macculloch.
"misquoting jesus", by bart ehrman.
I've just finished reading two (imo) great books:
"A History of Christianity - The First Three Thousand Years", by Diarmaid MacCulloch
"Misquoting Jesus", by Bart Ehrman
I've purchased now another four:
"Jesus, Interrupted" and "Lost Christianities", by Bart Ehrman
"The Jesus Dinasty" and "Paul And Jesus", by James D. Tabor
Have you read any of these? What are your thoughts? Can you recommend other works about the historical Jesus, early christianity(ies) and the formation of the Bible canon?
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They forget how Jesus gave as an example to follow that widow that persisted in demanding justice from a judge, until justice was finally granted to her. (Luke 18:1-8) She didn't 'wait on Jehovah' in quiet, reverent silence before the "superior authority" appointed by God's agency. She felt the injustice and spoke up and was vocal about defending her rights.
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tell them this:.
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Mary, coincidently, I've posted a meme with that quote on another thread today...
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hopefully it will make them think.. .
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It's in the second and third paragraphs.
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hopefully it will make them think.. .
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skin wrote:
Since the average JW is not able to verify this statement from the 1969 Awake, it is easier to dismiss this it as a lie, and then forget about it.
I suppose this scan proves it's not a fabricated quote?
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tell them this:.
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Tell them THIS:
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hopefully it will make them think.. .
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LOL undercover. You may well be right on that one :P
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