Posts by EdenOne

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

EdenOne

A man decides to take a business trip to Dubai and invites his wife to come along. She decides she doesn't want to go because it would be boring for her; while he's gone, a storm happens and a tree hits the house during a storm, and the wife gets killed.

Will you blame the man for taking the trip and not being home? Because if he had been home, he might have taken his wife out in time before the disaster. It was within his power, right?

Will you blame the man for not watching the weather report and call his wife to tell her she must go out of the house for the storm would surely knock the tree down? It was also within his power, right?

Will you blame the wife for taking the decision of not going on the trip and staying at home instead?

Will you blame the tree for it?

Will you blame the contractor who built the house for him?

Who will you blame for it?

Eden

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

EdenOne

As for your question #1, that is fair and deserves an answer:

1. If god ceased being interventionist after Jesus' resurrection, how do you account for all the deaths from natural disasters prior to 33AD?

I can only say that, exception made to the cases in the Bible where God is credited for causing a natural disaster, with a punitive purpose attatched to it, I don't see how God can be acused of causing every other natural disaster. As such, and because I only see God sparing people from disasters that He caused, I conclude that those deaths are a product of people being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's not their fault, it's not anybody's fault.

Eden

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

EdenOne

Romans 9:22 - shows that God is willing to show his destructive power, but has refrained to so do because he has been showing mercy towards those pursuit the hope he gives. Romans 2:4 shows that God does so in order to allow people to reach repentance. So, yes, I do believe that God is refraining from interfeering. Why he has interfeered in the pre-christian past? I have a few guesses, but - correct me if I'm wrong on this one - I don't see God expressly saving people from natural disasters except when he was the one causing them, therefore, in control of such events.

Btw, this

How did the 250 000 victims of the tsunami choose to be killed on 26th Dec 2004?

is an abominable fallacy and doesn't deserve an answer. It's bellow you, Cofty, and you know it. Stop being obtuse.

Eden

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

EdenOne

Thanks for the free publicity, Cofty

Now, would you care to demonstrate how what is written in the website about God's Holy Spirit is contradictory with what I wrote about God refraining from interveining?

While your question #1 is a fair one, your #2 is a despicable fallacy.

Eden

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Head of the House?

by cofty in

i often see comments by ex-jws that would suggest some men still view themselves as "head of the house".

sometimes comments from women appear to support the idea as well.. how many still see things this way or have you completely got over it?.

EdenOne

" I have no issues with letting my wife get her way if I agree that's beneficial " - - Cofty

I suppose you keep your mouth shut if you see your wife doing something that's not for the benefit of the household, then. Let me know how that works out for both of you.

Btw, since you don't know what psychological issues affect my partner's permanent capacity for sound judgement, you better not ask what I'm afraid of.

Eden

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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

by EdenOne in

in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

but i'm interested in hearing yours.

EdenOne

I also point out that, even in the days of the kingdom and priesthood of Israel, God was using prophets - not the structured "organization" - as God's communication channel. Even when the leadership was faithful. As in the days of King Josiah and high priest Hilkiah (prophetess Hulda and Jeremiah) and later with prophet Zachariah (Governor Zerubbabel and High Priest Joshua)

Eden

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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

by EdenOne in

in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

but i'm interested in hearing yours.

EdenOne

Great point, besty!

Eden

2596

The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

EdenOne

John McEnroe? Why?

Oh, and if this troubles you:

I can only conclude what the Bible allows me to conclude.

There, i've fixed it for you.

I can only conclude what the Bible allows me to conclude.

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The Three Magi and their modern antitype ;)

by processor in

http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2012/01/the-three-magi-and-their-modern-antitype/.

the three magi and their modern antitypeeveryone knows the story of the three magi who travelled a long way to pay homage to baby jesus two thousand years ago.

the same feature unfulfilled prophecies characterizes the anointed christians from brooklyn as the antitypical astrologers.

EdenOne

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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

by EdenOne in

in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

but i'm interested in hearing yours.

EdenOne

In a recent meeting with Elders, an argument was used to the effect that Jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the WTS must be that organization today, since God must be using one. Naturally, I know what arguments I've used to counter that argument. But I'm interested in hearing yours. Has God "always" used an organization? Must he use an organization? Does he need one?

(Don't waste your time trying to prove that the WTS isn't God's organization, that's not the main point here)

Eden