For me it was when I realized what I had suspected long ago: that "God's Organization" was embarassingly human. "Crisis of Conscience" did that for me. The rest just followed when I allowed myself to research outside the WT box.
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it was a long time coming for me.....when i read about the extened generations, after being raised on1914 being the be all end all, and millions would never die....that was the end.
i was part of the 1975 fiasco, the 6 month only truth book studies, suffered through a disifellowshipping and their version of a rewind.
i finally am free and hope others can eventually look in instead of inside looking out!
For me it was when I realized what I had suspected long ago: that "God's Organization" was embarassingly human. "Crisis of Conscience" did that for me. The rest just followed when I allowed myself to research outside the WT box.
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i am not much of a reader as i have two many distractions, but i fancy a challenging read, so please list any book that has changed your entire world view on everything.
i remember as a teenager buying at a yard sale, norman vincent peales " the power of positive thinking" and at the time that had a big impact on me.
but i am a little bit more in to " realistic positive thinking" now..
Crisis Of Conscience - Ray Franz
1984 - George Orwell
The Fear Of Insignificance - Carlo Strenger
The Gentile Times Reconsidered - Carl Jonsson
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great article here, from some university prof. doesn't seem he was ever a jw either.. http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2003_10/cox-truth.html
marked ... abeit dated (this is pre-jw.org age), it's very well written.
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my spouse felt a need to tell to elders about me reading apostate websites and speaking against wt stuff , so they'll probably try to readjust my apostate thinking any time soon.
my spuse never see me reading anything but, during our arguments i did't keep my mouth shut and she knows that i had to read it somwhere and it wasn't jw.org.
could this get my in the trouble if my spose is the only witness and never spoke to another person about this stuff ?
I second what Splash said. Lay low. Accept counseling. Admit to *some* apostate readings, but not on a regular basis. Above all, never trust your spouse again. Actually, don't trust *anyone* even your closest friends in the congregation. They *will* turn you in. You're not ready yet to take a decisive stand and risk losing your family / marriage.
However, I would be clear to my spouse that turning me in to the elders for "independent thinking" is a serious blow to the marriage; one that I wouldn't be willing to accept if it ever happens again. Fair warning given.
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i have read last night the personal story of forum member "amazing", which he posted in 19 installments about 12 years ago.
there are so many things about his experience that i can relate with.
he seems to have vanished from this forum, for his last post as "amazing" was about 3 years ago.
Thank you, NN and Blondie
i have read last night the personal story of forum member "amazing", which he posted in 19 installments about 12 years ago.
there are so many things about his experience that i can relate with.
he seems to have vanished from this forum, for his last post as "amazing" was about 3 years ago.
Blondie, I checked his threads. As I understand, he became a member of the Roman Catholic Church, and stopped posting about three years ago without saying fairwell. His last post was actually pretty casual. So i was left wondering.
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If Chile steps up their game just a little bit (after watching the Chile 3 - Australia 1 game), the broken Spanish armada may well be in deep trouble to get past the groups phase.
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i heard something about the memorial to cease soon.
not anything to do with jesus returning but rather that the number of folks partaking is increasing and the gb can't explain it since it should be decreasing or staying the same.. has anyone heard of this?
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It's far more likely that they stop publishing the number of partakers, for they can argue that it has become a "stumbling block" for the rank & file, for it was used to try to divinate how close the Big A was.
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i have read last night the personal story of forum member "amazing", which he posted in 19 installments about 12 years ago.
there are so many things about his experience that i can relate with.
he seems to have vanished from this forum, for his last post as "amazing" was about 3 years ago.
I have read last night the personal story of forum member "Amazing", which he posted in 19 installments about 12 years ago. There are so many things about his experience that I can relate with. He seems to have vanished from this forum, for his last post as "Amazing" was about 3 years ago. Does anybody know what happened to him? I would like to say "thank you" for his story.
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Amazing match. I could only watch the second half, but my jaw dropped. Holland obliterated the world champions...wow! Personally I find the way Spain (and Barcelona FC ...) typically plays to be boring to death, albeit terribly effective. It seems that Holland has found the antidote! Well done!
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