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  What comforts you when you no longer believe in a ressurrection ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
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  our family just lost someone dear and very close, a faithful jw.

  as we went through the entire funeral services and meeting long time brothers and sisters, who in general have been very kind and warm towards us, we realize that the hope of resurrection is a meaningless utopia for us, like a fairytale for little children.

  we don't have faith in it anymore, and serves us of no comfort.

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  I think that trading off the enjoyment of our current life for the unlikeliness of a future one is an awfully bad deal.

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  What comforts you when you no longer believe in a ressurrection ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  our family just lost someone dear and very close, a faithful jw.

  as we went through the entire funeral services and meeting long time brothers and sisters, who in general have been very kind and warm towards us, we realize that the hope of resurrection is a meaningless utopia for us, like a fairytale for little children.

  we don't have faith in it anymore, and serves us of no comfort.

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  EdenOne

  Our family just lost someone dear and very close, a faithful JW. As we went through the entire funeral services and meeting long time brothers and sisters, who in general have been very kind and warm towards us, we realize that the hope of resurrection is a meaningless utopia for us, like a fairytale for little children. We don't have faith in it anymore, and serves us of no comfort. We find solace in the deceased loved one's "good name" and the great memories we keep. How do you personally find comfort when the hope of resurrection has no longer meaning to you?

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  NAILING DOWN the fraud of John 1:1 by demonstration

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  call me crazy, but i love to watch seminary classes when sharp teachers are in charge of the instruction.. in the following video, the teacher really nails jehovah's witnesses on john 1:1 with utter simplicity.. begin at 1 hour and 20 minutes in.. i've never seen or heard of this before.. .

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5qkj7tmbg.

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  Apocalyptic 2 Esdras 2

  by Doug Mason in

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  await your shepherd; he will give you everlasting rest, because he who will come at the end of the age is close at hand.

  be ready for the rewards of the kingdom.

  ... receive what the lord has entrusted to you and be joyful, giving thanks to him who has called you to heavenly kingdoms..

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  I meant to say the two first chapters are much more recent .... anyway, I think you got my point.

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  I was shy on my first JW.ORG Video, I am so happy sharing God's Organization with you!

  by JWCart1975 in

  1. watchtower
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  jw.org is the fastest growing media outlet in the world, our local cobe said we are going to take the media from satan's wicked world!

  repent before it's too late and come back to the kingdom hall with all your loving brothers and sisters!

  you won't find happiness without jehovah's organization and you know it!

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  All faithful JW Carts go to Paradise, while all others end up in scrap. You can't get a better retirement plan anywhere else in the world.

  
  

  

  
  

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  Apocalyptic 2 Esdras 2

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  await your shepherd; he will give you everlasting rest, because he who will come at the end of the age is close at hand.

  be ready for the rewards of the kingdom.

  ... receive what the lord has entrusted to you and be joyful, giving thanks to him who has called you to heavenly kingdoms..

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  Doug

  Can we make definitive assumptions on what material was written first? As far as I could read, the first two chapters of 2 Esdras are thought to be much older than the rest of the work. My impression is that it should pre-date Revelation (less sophisticated theology), but ... that's just little ole me saying.

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  Apocalyptic 2 Esdras 2

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  await your shepherd; he will give you everlasting rest, because he who will come at the end of the age is close at hand.

  be ready for the rewards of the kingdom.

  ... receive what the lord has entrusted to you and be joyful, giving thanks to him who has called you to heavenly kingdoms..

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  Such resemblance with Revelation!

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  Hello

  by Garrett in

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  2. friends

  hello forum,.

  i'm new here and not sure where to post.

  so, i'm 21 years old and currently a baptized witness, however, i'm slowly making my mind up to leave and here's why.. first, there are certain things that make no sense to me in the organization.

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  EdenOne

  Welcome, Garrett.

  First and foremost - seek professional help for your depression issue. Don't for a minute rest thinking that Bible counsel or getting more deeply engaged in any kind of theocratic activity will be of genuine help. You need professional counseling and most likely, medication. Once you're on medication, it's really important that you stick to it under your doctor's supervision. Most JW's have a tendency to downplay medical science in favor of "natural meds" or other kinds of "alternative therapies" offered by charlatans that often are JW's themselves or their relatives. Don't follow that trend.

  Then, use that depression to your advantage - as an excuse to fade from the field service, KH meetings, and evade shepherding calls from Elders. Eventually they will give you some room (mainly because they don't want to deal with it, anyway) and then you will have some room to breathe. You will, from time to time, deal with guilty feelings, and those may add to your anxiety and depression, but they will too start fading away. Just don't allow yourself to be guilt-driven back into the Org. You're young and don't have much 'baggage' (children, relatives) within the Org, and, like others have said, it makes things so much less complicated.

  In the meantime, try to find some interesting activity, a hobby, a pet, that may safely capture your attention and affection away from the KH. 

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  Elders in Spain Steal Millions from Congregation

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  these men are appointed by holy spirit,.

  here is the source: http://www.economiadigital.es/es/notices/2015/01/la-fiscalia-imputa-una-estafa-de-mas-de-170-millones-de-euros-a-una-congregacion-de-testigos-de-jeho-65161.php.

  basically, if you don't know spanish, it boils down to this: (my personal editorial of what i've read).

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  I was just reading the article in the "El País" newspaper.

  It seems they were after those JW's who sold properties and persuaded them to invest in their scheme, in the shape of an investment company called "Rural New Life y Mutua Mas Vida".  Looks like they "re-invested" the funds in properties. (It mentions estates in Marbella and Lanzarote, tourist resorts). I bet that, in the craze of the real estate market back then, some deals were initially profitable, but soon they were caught in the curve.

  The 1300 may well be solely the number of people that participated in some sort of class-action lawsuit, or identified victims by the court. The number of those who actually donated may likely be much larger than 1300. In that scenario, this story gains more plausibility.

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  Elders in Spain Steal Millions from Congregation

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  these men are appointed by holy spirit,.

  here is the source: http://www.economiadigital.es/es/notices/2015/01/la-fiscalia-imputa-una-estafa-de-mas-de-170-millones-de-euros-a-una-congregacion-de-testigos-de-jeho-65161.php.

  basically, if you don't know spanish, it boils down to this: (my personal editorial of what i've read).

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  EdenOne

  Since 2008, property value in Spain has depreciated over 50% - those who sell are desperately in need of the cash, and can't afford surely to re-invest it in whatever. However, if this took place around 2001, that was the height of the real-estate fever in Spain, where property was (artificially) inflating in value over 8% per year. Some good opportunities for scammers in that climate ...

  Eden